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1 posted on 03/03/2005 3:02:57 PM PST by Sub-Driver
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89 posted on 03/04/2005 6:59:50 PM PST by nutmeg (democRATs = The Party of NO)
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If the old girl has to go, what better way than by helping understand what could better protect our present and future carriers?

Remember the fleet in the Able-Baker A-bomb test of Project Crossroads in 1946? I recall there was the USS Saratoga CV-3, USS Arkansas BB-33, USS New York BB-34 (USS Texas BB-35 sister ship), the USS Nevada BB-36 and the USS Pennsylvania BB-38 plus a lot of smaller DDs, subs & support craft. These fine fighting ships went out with their flags flying and gave valuable info for protecting our navy from atomic warfare.

BTW the Japanese BB Nagato and the German cruiser Prinz were there also as war prizes.
103 posted on 03/04/2005 7:42:07 PM PST by sonofatpatcher2 (Texas, Love & a .45-- What more could you want, campers? };^)
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Posted 02/28/05 12:53

U.S. Navy To Blast Retired Carrier in Tests
By CHRISTOPHER P. CAVAS

The U. S. Navy is going to do something this spring it hasn’t done since right after World War II: Sink an aircraft carrier.

But this time, the ship will be one of the Navy’s own.

The decommissioned carrier USS America, out of service since 1996, will be the target of tests designed to try out new defense and damage control systems for the CVN-21 carrier program. While old warships routinely have been sunk in recent years as targets or in tests, this will be the largest deliberately sunk by the Navy.

The Facts: FLATTOPS’ FATE

At more than 83,000 tons, the America (CV 66) will be the largest warship ever sunk. The largest warships sunk in combat are three Japanese vessels sunk in World War II; those ships displaced between 71,000 and 73,000 tons. Three earlier U.S. Navy aircraft carriers have been used in noncombat testing:
• Saratoga (CV 3) sank after an atomic bomb test in July 1946.
• Independence (CVL 22) survived the atomic blasts, but was sunk as a target in 1951.
• Reprisal (CV 35), an incomplete vessel, was used for a series of explosive tests from 1946 to 1948, and later scrapped. Besides the America, the U.S. Navy has six other decommissioned aircraft carriers — none nuclear-powered — awaiting disposal:

• Oriskany (CV 34), to become an artificial reef.
• Forrestal (CV 59).
• Saratoga (CV 60), earmarked for possible museum use.
• Ranger (CV 61), earmarked for possible museum use.
• Independence (CV 62).
• Constellation (CV 64).

SOURCE: Defense News research

In fact, the America will be the largest warship ever sunk by any means, in war or peace.

The tests represent a rare opportunity for designers to try out systems on a major-league scale.

“If you don’t try out your ‘bangs’ against big objects, you’re not going to find out if they’re going to sink,” said Norman Friedman, a naval analyst and historian who has authored design histories of American and British carriers.

The bangs will cost big bucks: The Navy is spending $18 million in preparation and execution for the tests, expected to last from four to six weeks.

Designers of today’s 90,000-ton carriers are working from data developed from tests on World War II-era destroyers, the Navy said. Computer models based on those tests “are not validated” for carrier-size ships, the Naval Sea Systems Command (NAVSEA) said in a response to written questions. Using the America “as a surrogate for CVN 21 is an excellent opportunity to obtain the necessary full-scale data,” NAVSEA said.

“This is more carefully coordinated and instrumented so that information gained from those tests can be rolled back into future ship design,” said Capt. Lawrence Jones, head of the Navy’s inactive ships program. Jones oversees the disposal of old Navy ships.

The America will be packed with instruments, sensors and video cameras to monitor the effect of explosions near and on the ship. Exactly how the tests are done and what they show are closely-held secrets. Design data for aircraft carriers is top secret; even data from the most recent live-fire tests against carriers — performed from 1946 to 1948 — remain classified.

The Navy won’t reveal exactly where the America tests will be carried out, saying only that the location will be more than 50 nautical miles from the East Coast in water depth greater than 1,000 fathoms.

Among the tests to be conducted on the America, according to NAVSEA, are:

• Internal blast — A large warhead will be set off inside the ship to determine the effects of blast and fragments on the ship’s structure and equipment. Six old A-7 Corsair II aircraft will be placed around the ship to check the effects on planes.

• Underwater explosions — Explosive charges will be set off at varying distances from the ship to test the effects of “moderately severe” and “severe” explosions, NAVSEA said.

• Surface attack — Detonation of a surface charge near the ship’s hull.

• Scuttling — Finally, explosive charges will be placed inside the ship to sink it. Sensors will see how the ship floods throughout the process.

At the end, the ship “will slip quietly beneath the sea,” Adm. John Nathman wrote in a December letter to former America sailors while he was still vice chief of naval operations.

Why Sink Old Carriers?

The Navy has struggled to find ways to dispose of its old aircraft carriers. Until the late 1990s, they routinely were sold and broken up for scrap. In 1993, the Navy sold the 1940s-vintage carrier Coral Sea to a Baltimore, Md., scrapper.

The Coral Sea, with a full-load displacement of more than 65,000 tons, remains the largest warship ever scrapped. But after the scrapping turned into a seven-year fiasco, Congress required the Navy to stop selling its old ships and pay to have them broken up in an environmentally safe manner. Instead of receiving a few thousand dollars for old destroyers or cruisers, the Navy now pays millions to have the ships dismantled.

“It costs about $4 million to scrap a destroyer or cruiser,” which displaces less than 10,000 tons, Jones said.

But scrapping an 80,000-ton aircraft carrier is a much more expensive proposition. Jones said a study a few years ago estimated the cost to scrap the America at $60 million. Today, he said, the cost would be “$65 million to $70 million.”

The Navy has provided $20 million over 2005 and 2006 for ship disposal, Jones said — not nearly enough.

The Navy has turned increasingly to sinking its ships at sea rather than pay to have them broken up. Of 28 Spruance-class destroyers decommissioned since 1998, nearly half have been sunk or are planned for sinking. Only one has been scrapped.

While the America will be the first modern carrier “expended” at sea, the Navy already is planning to sink the World War II-era carrier Oriskany as an artificial reef off Florida’s Gulf of Mexico coast late this year or early 2006.

Artificial reef sinkings like the Oriskany’s, which do not involve live-fire weapons testing, are seen as beneficial by many environmental groups. The sunken ships attract sea life, and if sunk in shallow waters, attract sport divers.

“It’s a win-win situation,” Jones said. “I believe the best means for disposing of the carriers is by artificial reef.”

The Coral Sea’s sister ship, the Midway, found a home last year as a museum ship in San Diego, but private museum groups trying to financially support super carriers similar to the America find their prospects daunting. None have yet to succeed in raising the money or fashioning a successful plan.

“My long-term goal is to artificially reef the carriers,” Jones said, citing it as “the most cost-effective solution for the Navy.” •

E-mail: ccavas@defensenews.com.

MY COMMENT: We are thus scheduled to dispose of more carriers in the next two years, than we presently have the financial or industrial capability to replace in 20+ years. Sure looks like unilateral disarmament. The USS America could be more productively used in any number of alternative roles, i.e., by being sold to the Japanese Navy or the Australians, or by being semi-automated and used as a "decoy" vessel in high-risk theaters of operation such as the Taiwan strait, where the entire focus of the Chinese navy is built around asymmetric threats to sink the U.S. carrier fleet en masse...utilizing obviously the elements of surprise, nuclear escalation, with massive torpedo, cruise missile and ballistic missile delivery of tactical nuclear devices.

117 posted on 03/06/2005 10:40:19 AM PST by Paul Ross (Ben Franklin: Gentlemen, We gave you a Republic...if you can keep it.)
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Why not turn it into a prison for illegal aliens .. what a waste.


123 posted on 03/06/2005 7:41:18 PM PST by 11th_VA (Stop the Illegal Invasion - Secure the Borders)
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Serving the good old USA to the very end! And no fear, I don't doubt the USS America will live again!


125 posted on 03/21/2005 4:35:16 PM PST by HitmanLV
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