Bill would deny U.S. citizenship to children of illegal immigrants

NCTimes ^

[Unicorn]

BTTT

[unixfox]

Reverse the situation.

- Enter MEXICO illegally. Never mind immigration quotas, visas, international law, or any of that nonsense.
- Once there, demand that the local government provide free medical care for you and your entire family.
- Demand bilingual nurses and doctors.
- Demand free bilingual local government forms, bulletins, etc.
- Procreate abundantly.
- Deflect any criticism of this allegedly irresponsible reproductive behavior with, "It is a cultural U.S.A. thing. You would not understand, pal."
- Keep your American identity strong. Fly Old Glory from your rooftop, or proudly display it in your front window or on your car bumper.
- Speak only English at home and in public and insist that your children do likewise.
- Demand classes on American culture in the Mexican school system.
- Demand a local Mexican driver license. This will afford other legal rights and will go far to legitimize your unauthorized, illegal, presence in Mexico. Drive around with no liability insurance......and ignore local traffic laws.
- Insist that local Mexican law enforcement teach English to all its officers.

Good luck! You'll be demanding for the rest of time or soon dead. Because it will never happen. It will not happen in Mexico or any other country in the world ... except right here in the United States... Land of the naive!

[skeeter]

His parents were here legally.

Thanks. Then the courts decided rightly, and this case cannot be used to validate the contemporary interpretation of the 14th Amendment regarding children of illegals.

[TexasCowboy]

"denying citizenship to the children of illegal immigrants would only make the number of illegal immigrants grow."

Uhhh....that circular logic goes right over my head.

[chemainus]

I'm glad you are a FRE#EPER and a conservative and still recognize GWB is jeapordizing the republic sucking up to illegals to get the hispanic vote and retire a hispanic hero in Texas. and NO I am not a Bush opponent, I worked my ass off for him. He has still let us down very seriously and with short-sightedness.

[EagleMamaMT]

I simply believe in holding all politicians to the same standards no matter their political party. If it's wrong for the Democrats to have certain policies, it's also wrong for the Republicans to espouse them. Just because a politician has an "R" behind his name doesn't mean he gets a free pass for disastrous policies.

[Cowboy Bob]

The bill should be retroactive to at least 1980.

I doubt that would pass Constitutional muster, either. Ex poste facto laws are unconstitutional.

I was just dreaming... But didn't Clinton raise taxes retroactively?

[chemainus]

This so good I wish I had posted it! I am constantly amazed at the wisdom and clarity of many who post here. Thank you for rare insights that one can get nowhere else.

To: Happy2BMe
Reverse the situation.

- Enter MEXICO illegally. Never mind immigration quotas, visas, international law, or any of that nonsense.
- Once there, demand that the local government provide free medical care for you and your entire family.
- Demand bilingual nurses and doctors.
- Demand free bilingual local government forms, bulletins, etc.
- Procreate abundantly.
- Deflect any criticism of this allegedly irresponsible reproductive behavior with, "It is a cultural U.S.A. thing. You would not understand, pal."
- Keep your American identity strong. Fly Old Glory from your rooftop, or proudly display it in your front window or on your car bumper.
- Speak only English at home and in public and insist that your children do likewise.
- Demand classes on American culture in the Mexican school system.
- Demand a local Mexican driver license. This will afford other legal rights and will go far to legitimize your unauthorized, illegal, presence in Mexico. Drive around with no liability insurance......and ignore local traffic laws.
- Insist that local Mexican law enforcement teach English to all its officers.

Good luck! You'll be demanding for the rest of time or soon dead. Because it will never happen. It will not happen in Mexico or any other country in the world ... except right here in the United States... Land of the naive!


182 posted on 03/02/2005 2:14:57 PM PST by unixfox (AMERICA - 20 Million ILLEGALS Can't Be Wrong!)
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[Melas]

Since when can you trump the Constitution of the United States of America with a bill?

[Melas]

Scotus would have to shoot it down. The Constitution is absolutely clear on this one, there is no other interpretation possible.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

Argue all you want, but you can't change that clear language "ALL PERSONS BORN" to mean anything other than all persons born.

[Melas]

Americans who have children born in Mexico - are their children given Mexican citizenhship also?

Doesn't matter. Our citizenship requirements have nothing do with Mexico's or those of any other nation. The 14th Amendment is written in plain English and it's very clear. If you don't like it, amend the constitution, but don't pretend that any bill can alter the constitution.

[Melas]

Ummm, no. Everyone inside our boders is subject to our laws. The clause "subject to the laws thereof" is written to exclude the children of diplomats who have immunity and are not subject to our laws.

[Melas]

subject to the jurisdiction thereof" mean to you?

The clause was written to exclude guests of state, typically diplomats who enjoy immunity and are not subject to our laws.

[pointsal]

Yep....this is long over-due.

[Melas]

There is some constitutional scholarship that says that children of illegals are just like the children of foreign diplomats and should not automatically be given citizenship.

There is no honest scholarship that says that children of illega are just like the children of diplomats. An illegal is subject to our laws. If he breaks a law, he'll be tried and punished like everyone else, he's subject to our laws. A diplomat however, enjoys broad immunity to our laws.

[Melas]

Sorry, citizenship is defined in the Constitution. Congress can't do jack about it. It would take 3/4 of the states to rafity an amendment to alter it. Or possibly a constitutional convention, take your pick.

[EagleMamaMT]

Yes, Happy2BMe really knocked one out of the park with that post. It was great!

[EagleMamaMT]

I'm sorry...I should have read a little closer there. That was unixfoxe's fantastic post. Just want to apologize for the mistake.

[Dog Gone]

Americans who have children born in Mexico - are their children given Mexican citizenhship also?

Yes. I have two brothers who were born in Mexico while we were living there for a few years. They have dual citizenship. Not only that, but their kids can also apply for dual citizenship even though my family left Mexico before any of us was old enough to attend elementary school.

The only reason I'm not also a Mexican citizen is because I was born during my father's summer vacation from the university he was attending at the time.

[FreedomCalls]

An illegal is subject to our laws. If he breaks a law, he'll be tried and punished like everyone else

Didn't the USSC rule in Medellin v. Dretke that Jose Medellin was not subject to the same U.S. laws as everyone else and he had extra rights vis-a-vis his illegal status in the country? The fact is Medellin was not treated the same as everyone else or he would be on death row except for the USSC decision.