Bill would deny U.S. citizenship to children of illegal immigrants

NCTimes ^

[justshutupandtakeit]

For pointing out that truth get ready for the attacks claiming you are pro-II.

[justshutupandtakeit]

The "Exceptions Clause" is roundly ignored by Congress since it is too cowardly to direct the Court.

[justshutupandtakeit]

Not without proof of birth.

[justshutupandtakeit]

Impeachment is not a remedy for unpopular opinions which is why the Court was made immune from most political pressure.

[norton]

"When I was in Costa Rica, a major complaint was about Nicaraguan anchor babies."

OK,

So first we repeal the 14th amendment,
then we restore it.
Just change "US" "USA" or "American" with "Costa Rican".

Problem solved!

[Modernman]

At Law, the word has a very specific meaning, as does National when applied as in, "am American National".vs "American Citizen". Common usage vs legal meaning. The United States and The United States of America are Not the same at Law, but are in common assuage. but back to the citizen issue.

What is the difference between an American Citizen and an American National?

[walford]

It must be emphasized that this is the humane thing also. Pregnant Mexicans are being caught trying to cross the border so that their child will be a US citizen. All they should come to expect for their trouble is summary deportation.

If Mexico is so bad, let them fix their own country.

[justshutupandtakeit]

NOt totally true there was still a period of naturalization required before citizenship was conferred. There was a big stink when Congress wanted to extend the period to 7 yrs (I think) under Adams.

[justshutupandtakeit]

They don't wonder and there is no reason they should. They can easily see that they are fighting to preserve a country that people are desperate to get into.

You can't see that?

[justshutupandtakeit]

Very good point.

[FreedomCalls]

That argument was rejected by the Supreme Court in the Wong Kim Ark case, back in 1880 or so

And the Juvenile death penalty was upheld in Stanford v. Kentucky in 1989. Yesterday it was overturned in Roper v. Simmons. Why should they uphold a 1880 decision on immigration in light of increased abuse in the time since? Times change. That was the whole point of Roper v. Simmons.

And besides Native Americans were not included as citizens in 1880 despite being native born. It took an act of Congress (note that it was not a judicial decision, but an act of Congress) to give them citizenship in 1924.

[kcvl]

About damn time!!!

DITTO!

[WindOracle]

About go**amn time.

[tumblindice]

A salient attribute of national sovereignty is the ability of a country to control its own borders, and I think our southwestern border should be manned by National Guardsmen. I believe Mexico's inaction in regard to this problem to be the actions of an aggressive, unfriendly neighbor.
So you're preaching to the choir, but I'll give you an "Amen".

[FreedomCalls]

Were Mr Wong's parents here illegally?

His parents were here legally.

http://www.tourolaw.edu/patch/Wong/

[george wythe]

Congress cannot overrule the US Constitution. This is just a waste of time.

What about a bill making it illegal to cross the US border without proper authorization. Oh I forgot! It's already illegal to do that.

What about enforcing the current laws and stop wasting time in stupid bills?

[AnOldCowhand]

Ping for later.

[OldSgt.]

"What is the difference between an American Citizen and an American National" A lot of difference!

Like I said before. Read the 14th and realize what it says in law, not what you now think it says, or what you've been told it did or does not do. Once you do understand what in gave and or did not give and how it changed things. Then you'll have answered the question for yourself and the question of believing or not believing someone else will be removed from the equation.

Sometimes in life, a person must stop listening to others and find out the truth for oneself. Hint: keep in mind the meaning of the words, "Rights", "privileges". don't mix the meanings. Often laws are written with it's own definitions section, consult it if there's one. Common usage of meanings Never apply. Blacks Law Dictionary for modern law there's Beauvoir's( or some such spelling for the old laws. Words have meanings and it always doesn't mean what you think.