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Rare Austrian Production of 'The Sound of Music' Reflects Nation's Schizophrenic Nazi Past
Associated Press ^ | 2-27-05 | George Jahn

Posted on 02/27/2005 1:15:20 PM PST by Pharmboy

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To: rogator
I had always thought that it was convincing the world that the Austrian king saved Europe and Western Civilization by defeating the Islamic armies at the gates of Vienna in 1683.

I am not very knoledgeable about 17th century European history. Was this not the case?

41 posted on 02/28/2005 2:48:08 AM PST by Pharmboy ("Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God")
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To: The_Reader_David; Clemenza

You two should get together...we can have an all-Freeper revival of the musical!


42 posted on 02/28/2005 2:51:05 AM PST by Pharmboy ("Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God")
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To: Clemenza

And there is a second opinion. From the web:


History of the Bagel: The Hole Story

While it's widely agreed that bagels came to the United States from the Jewish shtetls of Eastern Europe, experts can't pinpoint the exact origin of the humble bread with the hole in the middle.

One legend has it that the first bagel was born in 1683 when a Viennese baker wanted to pay tribute Polish King Jan III Sobieski for saving the people of Austria from Turkish invaders. Since the king was known to have a passion for riding, the baker made rolls in the shape of a stirrup, known in German as beugel.

In "The Joys of Yiddish," however, Leo Rosten notes that the first printed mention of bagels came even earlier, in 1610, in the Community Regulations of Krakow, Poland. These stated that "bagels would be given as a gift to any woman in childbirth." The ring shape may have been seen as a symbol of life.

Whatever its ancestry, the doughnut-shaped roll quickly caught on, becoming a staple among Eastern Europeans. In Yiddish, they were called beygel; in Russian, boobliki; in Polish, obazanki.



Bagels came to New York in the 1880s, with the immigration of hundreds of thousands of Eastern European Jews. Vendors used to thread the hole-shaped bread onto dowels and hawk them on street corners.

The pronunciation of the word never changed, but the spelling was Americanized to bagel.

In 1907, the International Bagel Bakers Union was founded in New York City. Members of the elite group, which was only open to sons of union members, fiercely safeguarded the recipe for bagels, which were usually boiled or "kettled" in vats of boiling hot water before baking. Bagel makers traditionally worked in teams of four,
with two men making the dough and shaping the bagels, one boiling them, and the fourth baking them.


43 posted on 02/28/2005 2:59:21 AM PST by Pharmboy ("Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God")
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mmmmmmmmmm, bagels........


44 posted on 02/28/2005 3:51:09 AM PST by jocon307 (Vote George Washington for the #1 spot)
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...and back in '97, when in San Diego for business, I had great bagels. Who knew??


45 posted on 02/28/2005 3:53:28 AM PST by Pharmboy ("Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God")
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See posts 33, 34, &36.


46 posted on 02/28/2005 7:58:29 AM PST by rogator
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