Posted on 02/26/2005 9:19:28 AM PST by Chi-townChief
....and, oddly, so do I.
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WOW! Stanley Crouch hits another home run!
Do you have any examples of him looking for government handouts? I don't recall any.
Your failure lies in your assumption that before 1960 "other means existed".
The Cold War and the need to win hearts and minds in the Third World made American apartheid an overwhelming propaganda embarassment. A frequent argument at the time was the, "if we don't treat blacks better they'll turn communist". In the age of subversion, disaffected minorities had become a national security threat. It is true that after the Holocaust the cause of racism was thoroughly discredited among opinion makers. But that doesn't mean they meant to spend the political capital required to upend the traditional way of life of an entire culture. It is one thing to say racism is wrong. It is entirely another to be willing to send federal troops into Mississippi. Cold War geopolitical self-interest made it necessary. Absent that self-interest, a nonviolent campaign would have been crushed in blood as blacks were crushed between 1877 and 1890.
The British loved Gandhi because he allowed them to flatter themselves about their benevolence when the hard truth was.
1. Given how thinly the British were spread in the administration of the Raj, repression was a very chancy option that could backfire disastrously. Order Indian soldiers, who had mutinied once already, to fire on an Indian crowd, they just might not do it. Repression is expensive and postwar England flatly could not afford it.
2. Kill the Anglicized Indians of the Congress Party and who will replace them ? Fiery nationalists like Subhas Chandra Bose (just as MLK was replaced by the Panthers and the Black Power movement).
3. India did not have a large white settler population that British conservatives would have had to support like the Ulster Protestants. It did not have a large white settler population with no problem whatsoever with killing as many Indians as they have to to preserve their privileged status quo and not have to go back home penniless white trash.
I don't ask black people to do anything different than what white people would do. I don't think black people had to be pink plaster saints to deserve freedom (and that is an implication of nonviolence that I always despised). Just people. Just ordinary, fallible human beings who get mad when treated with deliberate evil, no differently than white people would. White people would never for one minute think they had to be pink plaster saints of "turn the other cheek" nonviolence to deserve freedom. To think that you have to be better than others to deserve the same rights they have is to put yourself on a lower plane, as if you somehow have to doubly compensate for the "inferiority" of your blackness by being a saint. It is deference.
One final reply and then I am done with your ignorant ravings.
If "kaffir" is not the equivalent of "nigger", why shouldn't it be used ? Is it not a white supremacist term of contempt for black people ? A white supremacism that was the core of Afrikaner culture ?
I understand the "some of my best friends are black", need of the white supremacist mentality to believe in its own goodness and virtue and react with fury when its essential evil is laid bare. The Afrikaners were like that too, certain that the Zulus loved them for their goodness and would reject the "outside agitators". They deluded themselves that the "kaffirs" would take their side. Like white Southerners who insisted that "our coloreds are happy. Just outside agitators riling them up." The same basic patterns.
There is no other minority in American history that had an entire ideology created to justify their oppression, an ideology as comprehensive as anti-semitism. There is no other minority that was the target of that level of concentrated evil. I know it offends you to look in the mirror and be told there is evil there but facing the truth is the only way to move forward.
"I'm a muslim brother, I dun been manifested by a miracle, I doun eat no swine, I doun drink no wine!"
Hoo boy. I was flamed royally around here for calling Martin Luther King a Commie. Hope you fare better!
Iron,I don't know if you want to take on this little racist or not,but have a go,if you so choose.
Why bother, I would not know where to start in this swamp of ignorance.
Looks like another episode of "The Simple Life, South Africa".
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