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Defacing Confederate Memorial Unveils a Lasting Division
Seattle Post-Intelligencer ^ | 25 February 2005 | Susan Paynter

Posted on 02/25/2005 10:16:03 AM PST by Publius

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To: Colonel Kangaroo

I agree with most of what you say. I will say, however, that many overlook the fact that the Emancipation Proclamation did not free ONE slave in the Union slave states. Further, slavery was made an issue only when it was feared that Europe would become involved. The leftist professors have done one hell of a job revising history in many respects .... and they still have a hold on many here on the FR! Sad, but true. The politically correct stance on this issue is to demonize all things Confederate. A true student of history sees things differently however.


21 posted on 02/27/2005 7:54:10 PM PST by CurlyBill (The difference between Madeline Albright and Helen Thomas is a mere 15 years.)
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To: CurlyBill

Seattle scum and Yankee filth go hand in hand.


22 posted on 02/27/2005 8:00:22 PM PST by DixieOklahoma (Since 2004: real American voters = 1, dead democrats = 0)
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To: lentulusgracchus
...systematic exclusion of uncontrolled thoughts and undesirable intellectual processes ...

As your last paragraph shows, the left uses linguistics to gain and keep power. Once that is achieved there is little need to go to the trouble of "systematic exclusion" through linguistics. Then it is done by force.

23 posted on 02/27/2005 8:14:47 PM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all things that need to be done need to be done by the government.)
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To: CurlyBill
Further, slavery was made an issue only when it was feared that Europe would become involved.

May I disagree? I think Lincoln had the total abolition of slavery by any means necessary on his mind for quite some time.

This is where I disagree with the "Lincoln was a moderate", "Lincoln was an opportunist" crowds. He conceived, IMHO, a plan when the Republican Party was still out of power, and he executed it during the course of the 1860 campaign and the descent into war, to go outside the Constitution and impose the solution that, in his letters, he had concluded in 1855 could not be achieved by legal means within the Constitution.

IOW, Lincoln started the war in the first place, and he made sure it looked like the damn Rebels did it -- like that immortal movie line of George C. Scott's.

24 posted on 02/28/2005 5:25:18 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: lentulusgracchus

Lincoln was going to send them all to Liberia.


25 posted on 02/28/2005 10:24:33 AM PST by CurlyBill (The difference between Madeline Albright and Helen Thomas is a mere 15 years.)
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To: CurlyBill
Lincoln was going to send them all to Liberia.

Nonsense.

26 posted on 03/01/2005 4:44:16 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
Nonsense.

http://beatl.barnard.columbia.edu/students/his3487/lembrich/seminar65.html

http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo49.html

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v13/v13n5p-4_Morgan.html

http://www.etymonline.com/cw/lincoln.htm

I can provide more sources to educate you if you would like.

27 posted on 03/01/2005 7:02:29 AM PST by CurlyBill (The difference between Madeline Albright and Helen Thomas is a mere 15 years.)
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To: CurlyBill

Yeah, I've read them all. But unlike you I've gone further and read Lincoln's speeches and writings on the subject in context. Lincoln was a believer in voluntary colonization, emphasis on the voluntary. No secret there. Colonization plans enjoyed widespread support for decades before the rebellion, and in his support for colonization Lincoln was no different than men like Robert Lee, who paid passage to Liberia for some of his former slaves. But Lincoln was different from men like Lee, who believed that slavery was the best place for blacks and his support for voluntary colonization is a far cry from your claim that Lincoln was for forced deportation. In that you're confusing Lincoln with Jefferson Davis.


28 posted on 03/01/2005 7:17:07 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: RasterMaster
"Why, Curtis wondered, should we feel badly that a "monument to racists has been destroyed? A monument to racist scum who went off to fight for an evil system? The notion is obscene," he said."

I'm sure this hammerhead flies the Hammer and Sickle over his property.

29 posted on 03/04/2005 8:55:57 PM PST by Colt .45 (Navy Veteran - Pride in my Southern Ancestry! Chance favors the prepared mind.)
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