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Churchill Art Piece Called Into Question
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| 2/24/05
| Raj Chohan
Posted on 02/24/2005 10:19:19 PM PST by Fizzie
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To: RandallFlagg
Can you even believe this?
I'm just sitting here trying to figure out how this guy thought he'd get away with this.
Like I said up the thread, he's the Scott Peterson of academia.
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posted on
02/25/2005 1:07:08 AM PST
by
Howlin
(Free the Eason Jordan Tape!!!)
To: Drango
Yo quierro Taco Bell?
I think he copied this from early, discarded "concept" drawings by Taco Bell's ad agency.
Maybe he'll soon be "making a run for the border".
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posted on
02/25/2005 1:07:51 AM PST
by
ApplegateRanch
(The world needs more horses, and fewer Jackasses!)
To: ApplegateRanch
yeah,...back at #22 I said he'd be goin'
To: Howlin
The "Original" purchaser on the Ebay auction states he bought the "art" directly from Churchill in 1980. By all accounts that is long before Al Gore invented the internet and long before Google.
Apparently Churchill believed research would always be a tedious, by-hand task.
To: Howlin
We haven't proven any fraud with this particular image. Since the photo looks well over 100 years old, it's likely in the public domain. Now, if WC took an old non-copyrighted photograph and traced lines from it to make a stylized version that he sold as "art," he hasn't done anything wrong.
What we need to do to keep looking to see if some OTHER artist thought of doing this first and then WC copied the other artist's line drawing. Now THAT would be the smoking gun we'd need to find.
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posted on
02/25/2005 1:10:55 AM PST
by
CardCarryingMember.VastRightWC
(The heart of the wise man inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left. - Eccl. 10:2)
To: deport; Miss Marple; cyncooper; MEG33; EllaMinnow; TexKat; AmericanMade1776; ...
You're gonna love this one.
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posted on
02/25/2005 1:11:40 AM PST
by
Howlin
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To: Howlin
Oh, I'm loving it all. Yet another leftist is exposed as the loser he is.
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posted on
02/25/2005 1:12:49 AM PST
by
RandallFlagg
(Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
To: CardCarryingMember.VastRightWC
Well it's not fraud and it's not a copyright violation but it's also NOT art. And it is unethical.
228
posted on
02/25/2005 1:13:16 AM PST
by
Drango
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To: RandallFlagg
This guy has lied about so much stuff, I'm beginning to wonder if he's really a guy.
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posted on
02/25/2005 1:13:28 AM PST
by
Howlin
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To: Howlin
I emailed this info to News 4, Channel 7 and 9 News here in Denver so far: More Ward Churchill art fraud ---
Copyrighted version info:
http://www.grandfathersspirit.com/cards/111LittleBigMan.html
Little Big Man Sioux, Oglala Photographed by Charles M. Bell Copyright 1877
Oglala Sioux Warrior. A fearless and respected warrior who fought along side of Crazy Horse against Bear Coat Miles, Little Big Man opposed the treaty and the commission that wanted to take the Black Hills from the Sioux. He was later made into an agency policeman by the whiteman, and some think that he was partially responsible for the death of Crazy Horse.
http://www.texiancowboy.com/tcwe/deadwood.htm
Ogalalla Dakota Sioux
As a member of the Sioux tribe, Little Big Man battled against the white intruders during the late 19th century. In September 1875, during negotiations at Red Cloud Agency regarding the future ownership of the Black Hills, he led a mock charge at the white commissioners by a large group of warriors. Firing their guns and shouting ritual war chants, they badly scared everyone but did no physical damage. After the Wounded Knee massacre of his tribe, the Sioux were forced to surrender and remain on reservations. Little Big Man was later made an agency policeman. (Credit Photo: W.H. Jackson circa 1870s)
http://www.texiancowboy.com/tcwe/images/KQ%20Postcards/92_lrg_vert.jpg
---
Ward Churchill's version on E-Bay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20148&item=7302524684&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
To: ajolympian2004
Someone needs to save the ebay "art" to their hard drive. Not me:-) Night all.
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posted on
02/25/2005 1:16:29 AM PST
by
Drango
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To: Drango
But now I see in post #213 - "Photographed by Charles M. Bell
Copyright 1877." Could it be that this image's copyright has been continuously renewed since 1877 and is therefore NOT in the pubic domain?
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posted on
02/25/2005 1:16:34 AM PST
by
CardCarryingMember.VastRightWC
(The heart of the wise man inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left. - Eccl. 10:2)
To: Drango; Howlin
Another side by side comparison.
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posted on
02/25/2005 1:16:38 AM PST
by
Flyer
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To: Howlin
Go for it.
There are so many "styles" of art claimed by this fool, some art specialist can pick up even more!
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posted on
02/25/2005 1:17:17 AM PST
by
MindBender26
(Having your own XM177 E2 means never having to say you are sorry......)
To: Flyer
Look at the feathers and the detail there. It's an exact copy!
To: CardCarryingMember.VastRightWC
Exactly. nothing wrong with pen-and-inking a public domain photo. Lots of artists do that. Reversing and copying a work by a modern artist is quite another matter.
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posted on
02/25/2005 1:18:08 AM PST
by
JennysCool
(I was so naive as a kid I used to sneak behind the barn and do nothing. -Johnny Carson)
To: jonrick46
Nothing is strange anymore. I feel like I live in a parallel universe.
237
posted on
02/25/2005 1:24:06 AM PST
by
Howlin
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To: CardCarryingMember.VastRightWC
We haven't proven any fraud with this particular image. It may may not be legal fraud, but it exposes the fraud that Ward Churchill is.
He sold this art as his original, as a Native American artist. Both lies.
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posted on
02/25/2005 1:24:27 AM PST
by
Flyer
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To: Drango
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posted on
02/25/2005 1:24:46 AM PST
by
Howlin
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To: CardCarryingMember.VastRightWC; Flyer
But he SIGNED IT!
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posted on
02/25/2005 1:28:00 AM PST
by
Howlin
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