Posted on 02/24/2005 3:55:40 PM PST by traumer
I found the info. His name is Dr. Michio Kaku and this is his website:
http://www.mkaku.org/
If they were balloons, they were traveling at hundreds of miles per hour and there are no such winds in the Valley of Mexico nor in the atmosphere above the city. Wind was so rare there that the city has severe air pollution that winds do not remove. Try another theory.
bookmark for later...
Another "theory"?
OK, you need glasses.
Just Kidding! 8^)
Thanks.
Would love to have some dialogue about the particulars with kindly intentioned agreeable folk who are nevertheless sharp thinkers.
Thanks.
Thanks.
Now you know better than to go and try to confuse the firmly convinced with facts! LOL.
Many, perhaps most people don't realize how susceptible they are to optical illusions, preconceived expectations and poor observation conditions. For instance: How big is an object you see in the air? If you think it is bigger or smaller than it really is then the rest of your observations are skewed. Similarly people don't understand how far away or close an object really is.
The video from the Mexico City sitings looks very much like balloons to me. So please excuse me if I conclude that it is a fact that they were - in fact - balloons.
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=86090
"because they (whether military or other/extraterrestrial or whatever) fly at night on purpose to reduce visibility?"
The military part of that, we know is true. We only need to go back to the F117 for proof of that. Flying in the middle of nowhere is also a signature of secret military projects. If it were extra terrestrial in origin, why would they not be checking out places like New York, Chicago, LA and other areas of bustling activity? If NASA had evidence of a city on Mars, would we instead send a probe to a sea of sand?
"Problems for actual physical craft, but not for demonic apparitions"
Also not a problem to explain by simple optical illusion. 3D vision is reduced to almost nil at night, many common ordinary objects are unidentifiable at night when most ufo's are seen
Amen.
"
The military part of that, we know is true. We only need to go back to the F117 for proof of that. Flying in the middle of nowhere is also a signature of secret military projects. If it were extra terrestrial in origin, why would they not be checking out places like New York, Chicago, LA and other areas of bustling activity?"
Yeah the incidents with hundreds of witnesses over large populated areas (phoenix comes to mind) makes absolutely NO sense from the secret project viewpoint. I have had 2 people here give me two certain explanations for phoenix97, 1 that they were apaches in formation and the other that they were flares. being tested.
All well and good, to a point, Ben.
But I suspect rather strongly
that
you have a pretty fierce bias in the direction of TYPE II errors--or errors of saying nothing is there, when something is there
ALMOST regardless of the evidence.
I believe those biases have more to do with your personality, bent, life tendencies, choices and values than with the 'empirical' evidence.
I believe you set yourself [and your fans] up for being burnt unnecessarily by the intensity and comprehensiveness of these biases.
You also seem to ignore wholesale trained observers who manage to, at the time of the observation, use their arms and other reference points to take some rough readings as to how far and big things are as well as other empirical factors and observations important for reasonable determinations of type of phenomenon involved.
You also seem to have virtually no awareness of and/or no concern about the fact that given the nature of the phenomena and the government's response to it--by the time the types of empirical 'proof' you are waiting for crop up sufficiently often and solidly, your options for responding will have been greatly limited. I think that's unnecessarily unfair to you, your family and your fans.
However, on that score, I suspect the die was cast very early and not a great deal of tuning in earlier would make a great deal of difference.
Nevertheless--being caught flat footed, shocked to the gills when everything's essentially over but the shouting . . . is not my preferred way to be alert for major life paradigm shifts. I try hard to be as ahead of as many important information curves as possible and practical.
Then there's the issue of . . . say the Mexico City thing. Assume, pretend for the moment that the facts are as some of us are convinced. There's really plenty of observations and even of pictures in various hands to indicate that pretty strongly.
If you have the bar so high for such a shift in your convictions toward acknowledging something starkly unusual--while most people--especially 95+% of the people in Mexico City have a much more 'realistic' bar for realizing that . . . what other things are you being overly, unnecessarily, dangerously obtuse to stubbornly blind about?
Thanks, will check it out next.
I like this one:
I think the first hour was reasonably well done using credible witnesses, albeit there were certain obvious omissions. In the second hour it turned into the usual debunking and ridicule, namely the discounting of both the Roswell case and the abduction phenomenon. Reducing the Roswell case to a myth by marginalizing Stanton Friedman and omitting the testimony of those like Col. Corso, who have bravely come forward with unassailable evidence regarding the Roswell incident, was a travesty. Also, suggesting that the adduction phenomenon is merely a sleeping disorder flies in the face of the fact that thousands of people have reported these exact same set of experiences, often without the use of hypnosis. Where was the ground breaking work on abduction phenomenon by highly regarded academic, the late Dr. John Mack? Where was Dr. Stephen Greer with his disclosure project replete with hundreds of retired military and aerospace whistle blowers? Clearly some of the best documented cases were not even mentioned, like the Rendlesham Forest/Bentwaters case or the more recent Varginha episode in Brazil, just to name a few. The program also failed to mention the over 7,000 physical trace cases that have been thoroughly investigated and documented over the last 60 years or so. In summary, I can only conclude that the trend of "junk journalism" regarding UFO phenomenon continues unabated by ignoring the most important information coupled with a very transparent (to those that have done the reading and research) disinformation/smear campaign. With all due respect, I think Mr. Jennings and the ABC network have done a great disservice to all the people of our world.
--Bill M. K, B.C., Canada
Good points in this one, too:
I was totally disappointed with the program. The ABC crews filmed at the MUFON symposium in Denver where a steady stream of professional scientists and engineers presented paper after paper of hard, well- researched science, yet not a single word of it made it into the program. A friend of mine was interviewed in depth for the program, but all that was aired was two seconds and three words. At the end, they gave the impression that Peter Davenport was the only person in the world still investigating reports... a deliberate slam on MUFON and all the other groups trying to dig into this mystery. They did find time to include all the usual paid debunkers, though.
Over all this was a total waste of time. What a shame.
--Mike M. Ashland, Ohio
The following seems quite accurate, to me:
Look outside. The sun is still shining, people are going to work, the U.S. economy is chugging away, etc. etc. The fact that we aren't rioting in the streets after this special is proof that we're grown up enough to hear this information. Now maybe the next step would be a special that goes into some of the other news about this phenomenon: cattle mutilation, different species of aliens, Area 51, the hybrid breeding program, the role of aliens in religion, gravity-powered space flight and so on. If they dole this information out to us a little at a time, by the time we have to face it, we will be ready.
My feeling about this was that this program was part of the disclosure process. The media has been running UFO programs on the History Channel, the Discovery Channel, and so on, and nothing bad happened to the fabric of society. This Peter Jennings show was the next step, a trial balloon on the network for a bigger audience, and once again nothing happened. I guess a collective ho-hum sums it up. Let's keep on going with this, you government guys. You can do it! Trust us. We're not as dumb as you think we are.
--Isadora P.
I think a good chunk of your assumptions are inordinately askew from the reality.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.