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CA: Arnold puts screws to lawmakers (time's a'wasting)
Oakland Tribune ^ | 2/22/05 | David M. Drucker

Posted on 02/22/2005 6:15:42 PM PST by NormsRevenge

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To: doctor noe; NormsRevenge; forester
"Look for one of the bloodiest fights ever waged by the unions."

I certainly agree with THAT!!!

Sometime, when you want to REALLY overwhelm yourself... research the governmental employees unions organizational chart at all levels of our thousands of state and local governmental bodies in CA!!!

Then, if you're not overwhelmed enough yet, chart in all their rich and powerful liberal allies like NGO's and Non-Profits, etc. Then add in the coerced corporate contributors and Hollywood militants... The monster has huge, lengthy and tenticles loaded with super suckers!!!

Then, finish it off with the election day GOTV machine they use to perfection, starting with massive phone banks and gigantic databases and software to provide scripted messages aimed at the heart of "hot-buttons" of everyone they call... Yes... bloody, indeed!!!

21 posted on 02/23/2005 9:44:04 AM PST by SierraWasp (The Dems have lost whatever "redeeming social value" they ever had!!! Just ask Zell...)
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To: NormsRevenge; SierraWasp
On the KTVU 10 PM news, caught a snip of results of a new Field Poll that shows the Legislature is on shaky ground, as usual, with the public. I haven't located poll results online yet, should be out tomorrow for public viewing, I suspect.

The Legislature is seen as more confrontational and unwilling to work for needed reforms by a pretty significant margin.

Grasping at straws waspman? I think the guv may succeed at some of his intiatives, such as pension reform and redistricting. Education will be tougher as the teachers are masters at propaganda. I can hear it now "Budget cuts kill kids, film at eleven."

I do believe that the budget mess is so bad that the bureaucrats days of heisting the State treasury are over..... they will have to go back to nickel and diming us to death as they always have :o).

22 posted on 02/23/2005 12:34:15 PM PST by forester (An economy that is overburdened by government eventually results in collapse)
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To: forester
Well, forester, this poll doesn't scare the legislators because each of them knows their constituent distinguishes between their own personal elected representative and that crumby buncha tirds called a "Legislature!"

As you know... It's a lot easier to focus on one Grubynator at a time, than one Legislayturd at a time and so polls like this will bother A.S., more than them. You watch. Not that I'm rootin for that! I'm just observing and searching for insights, like you!!!

23 posted on 02/23/2005 1:54:30 PM PST by SierraWasp (The Dems have lost whatever "redeeming social value" they ever had!!! Just ask Zell...)
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To: SierraWasp
Well, forester, this poll doesn't scare the legislators because each of them knows their constituent distinguishes between their own personal elected representative and that crumby buncha tirds called a "Legislature!"

Agreed, but the guv isn't going up against just one, he's taken them all on as a group. That is what is different this time.

What do you think about him dumping the California Performance Review? I heard that the little Hoover Commission give it bad reviews 'cuz of the way it was developed. Eliminating 88 Boards and Commissions, talk about kicking a waspnest of special interest (pardon the pun).

24 posted on 02/23/2005 2:12:54 PM PST by forester (An economy that is overburdened by government eventually results in collapse)
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To: forester; NormsRevenge; farmfriend; calcowgirl; Carry_Okie
Well... (I hesitate to say this) He's being advised by people like Pete Wilson who did the same exercises in futility, like Pete's "Constitutional Revision Commission!"

They mucked around with this complete waste of time, almost the whole time Pete was in there, and it ended up... NOTHIN!!! Wasted everybody's time and got everybody upset over absolutely nothin!!! This is what drives driven people to "polarization," yea, verily I say, "radicalism!"

So many people on here probably think I'm a real prig cause I don't patiently support these harebraned, ding-bat proposals that I know are nothing but dingy laundry recycled from Wilson's old laundry basket that already has black mold growin out of it and IT STINKS!!! Plus it's wasting more time and resources that we are plumb out of!!!

It sure is a good thing for him that so many are unaware of the recent history, or the people would, like me, have totally lost patience with this bunk from the git-go!!!

25 posted on 02/23/2005 3:46:12 PM PST by SierraWasp (The Dems have lost whatever "redeeming social value" they ever had!!! Just ask Zell...)
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many people on here probably think I'm a real prig

Yes, but you are lovable none the less.

26 posted on 02/23/2005 3:51:14 PM PST by farmfriend ( Congratulations. You are everything we've come to expect from years of government training.)
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To: NormsRevenge
You said it, brother.

I envision 'solutions' pushed on us by Ahnold in the guise of 'this will really tick off the Left' and we will find out later to our chagrin that it's either business as usual that we bought hook, line and sinker or something worse that he managed to get us to vote for in our enthusiasm to stick it to the liberals.

27 posted on 02/23/2005 3:58:27 PM PST by Lizavetta (Modern liberalism: Where everyone must look different but think the same.)
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To: farmfriend
Lovable, in a priggish sort of way. ;-)

snicker :-)

28 posted on 02/23/2005 4:13:29 PM PST by calcowgirl
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To: calcowgirl

Snort.


29 posted on 02/23/2005 4:15:02 PM PST by farmfriend ( Congratulations. You are everything we've come to expect from years of government training.)
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To: NormsRevenge
The claims that aRnold is a Hiram Jr are greatly exaggerated...

There are many similarities, actually, just not the kind I'd like to see. Johnson was a Progressive whose efforts helped split the GOP in 1912. He also had quite the GREEN agenda, along with Gifford Pinchot and others.

Hiram Warren Johnson, the son of a lawyer, was born in Sacramento, California. After finishing high school he entered the University of California in 1884. After graduating he became a partner in his father's law office.

In 1910 Johnson, a member of the Republican Party, was elected governor of California. Under his leadership the legislature passed a series of progressive measures including women's suffrage, restrictions on child labour and workingmen's compensation. When Theodore Roosevelt decided to be the Progressive Party candidate in the 1912 presidential elections, he selected Johnson as his prospective vice-president. Roosevelt and Johnson won 4,126,020 votes but were defeated by Woodrow Wilson. However, because of Johnson's record as a reforming governor, they won California.

In 1914 Johnson was re-elected as governor of California. This time he represented the Progressive Party rather than the Republican Party. A progressive on domestic issues, Johnson was an isolationist in foreign affairs and helped to defeat Woodrow Wilson in his plans for the United States to join the League of Nations.

In the 1930s Johnson supported Franklin D. Roosevelt and the New Deal but was opposed to his foreign policies and voted against American membership of the United Nations. Hiram Warren Johnson died on 6th August, 1945.


30 posted on 02/23/2005 4:34:06 PM PST by calcowgirl
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To: NormsRevenge
71 potential initiatives?...the pamphlets will be 2 inches thick...

Many chads will be piled high that day!

But we are used to working with roughly 50 SuperLotto numbers twice a week, so 71 is not so bad...

Plus Arnie puts out a slick brochure--better than the pamphlets--which provide easy voter reference to guide his army of supporters at the polls...and you can bet they'll be baahhhk!

31 posted on 02/23/2005 4:52:06 PM PST by O Neill (Aye, Katie Scarlett, the ONLY thing that lasts is the land...)
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To: NormsRevenge

Lessee now, the donks risk losing considerable face if they persist in using stall tactics. They also risk losing considerable face if they don't. "Rock and a Hard place" come to mind.


32 posted on 02/23/2005 4:54:31 PM PST by Frumious Bandersnatch
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To: Frumious Bandersnatch
"Rock and a Hard place"

Yep, the New Age Rock-Hard Cafe, featuring Barbara Boxer singin' ballads & blues...

I wish they all could be California Girlie-Men!

33 posted on 02/23/2005 5:46:01 PM PST by O Neill (Aye, Katie Scarlett, the ONLY thing that lasts is the land...)
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To: Lizavetta

Thanks.

I walk a fine line here daily as I criticize and and all politicians, parties and their operatives and supporters that do not work to serve the people but rather to further enslave us to the continuing mode of operation of a large number of politicos and NGOs that continue pushing the belief that Big Gubamint is OK.

I take Jim's admonition that FR is here to fight govt largesse and corruption, amongst other things. I don't get a dime for doing it but that isn't why I am here.

Our country and sovereignty is slowly being stripped from our hands, imo.

If folks are offended, maybe they need to look within themselves as to why instead of being knee jerk partisan reactionaries and bashing the 'messengers' of thoughts and ideas and truths they can't digest or fathom.

People need to stop being swallowers of the hogswallop that is dished out as the gospel of politics and be willing to open their minds and look at what is going down, and stop being damn lemmings.


34 posted on 02/23/2005 6:26:07 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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To: calcowgirl

Thanks for the Hiram Johnson info. Hiram was a unique politician for his times.

He had his faults if you will, but they didn't negate much of the good he also accomplished in his tiem in public service.

I don't know that history will be quite as kind to the current Gub, but he too, has ample opportunity to prove himself.

While Teddy Roosevelt was our first 'environmental' President, I won't hold that against him as you look at what he originally envisioned as far as parks etc goes, was nowhere as massive as what the latest hordes of enviros have been effecting thru policies that stomp on property and individual rights and pursue international agendas in doing so..

He died the day we dropped the A bomb.

Concidence? the end of one age, the start of a new.


35 posted on 02/23/2005 6:34:33 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Johnson was a Progressive whose efforts helped split the GOP in 1912.

The Bull Moose Ticket. Teddy R and Hiram J. 1912 :)


36 posted on 02/23/2005 6:35:30 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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To: O Neill

>>Plus Arnie puts out a slick brochure--better than the pamphlets--which provide easy voter reference to guide his army of supporters at the polls...

That is the Austrian way...


37 posted on 02/23/2005 6:43:00 PM PST by calcowgirl
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To: NormsRevenge; SierraWasp
So many people on here probably think I'm a real prig cause I don't patiently support these harebraned, ding-bat proposals...

People need to stop being swallowers of the hogswallop that is dished out as the gospel of politics and be willing to open their minds and look at what is going down, and stop being damn lemmings.

I am just trying to be a little hopefull, not giddy run-off the cliff hopefull. Just cautiously optimistic so my family doesn't have to live with a grouchy old man ;o)

38 posted on 02/23/2005 8:57:27 PM PST by forester (An economy that is overburdened by government eventually results in collapse)
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To: NormsRevenge

All hat, no cattle, use the veto pen. This isn't leadership it is cowardice.


39 posted on 02/23/2005 8:59:14 PM PST by John Lenin
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To: forester; NormsRevenge
Now forester... you weren't supposed to take that whole load upon yourself, personally!!! Both Norm's and my remarks were not aimed exclusively at your attempt to find some possible supportive sentiment for Schwarzenegger, somewhere!!!

Besides... As you know, bein a woodsman, us Waspers are ALL grouchy! The whole danged family!! Entire generations of Famlies!!! We bees grouchy all the danged time over anyone doin anathang ta disturb our little Sierran nests!!!

Now... When some snarky celeb comes along and tries to stuff our ENTIRE Sierra-Nevada mountain range into one of his little "Girly Man" BOXES... WE BE SWARMIN, WITH STINGERS BLAZIN!!! (and we're permanently pist, too)

40 posted on 02/23/2005 10:34:18 PM PST by SierraWasp (The Dems have lost whatever "redeeming social value" they ever had!!! Just ask Zell...)
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