Posted on 02/22/2005 4:22:02 PM PST by groanup
Amen to that.
Gee that's all? There's reportedly 141 supporting KYOTO too, with the EU and the VAT folks all out for that one too.What does that have to do with anything? You're just setting up a straw man.
Quick googling suggests 25.In order of population:
China, Indonesia, Brazil, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Russia, Nigeria, Japan, Mexico, Philippines, Vietnam, Germany, Egypt, Turkey, Thailand, France, United Kingdom, Congo Republic, Italy, Korea, South, Ukraine, South Africa, Colombia, Spain, Sudan, Argentina, Poland, Tanzania, Kenya, Canada, Morocco, Algeria, Peru, Nepal, Uganda, Uzbekistan, Venezuela, Taiwan, Romania, Ghana, Australia, Sri Lanka, Mozambique, Madagascar, Cote d'Ivoire, Netherlands, Cameroon, Chile, Kazakhstan, Guatemala, Burkina Faso, Cambodia, Ecuador, Zimbabwe, Mali, Malawi, Niger, Zambia, Senegal, Greece, Portugal, Belgium, Belarus, Czech Republic, Tunisia, Hungary, Chad, Guinea, Sweden, Dominican Republic, Bolivia, Rwanda, Austria, Haiti, Azerbaijan, Switzerland, Benin, Bulgaria, Tajikistan, Honduras, El Salvador, Paraguay, Israel, Togo, Papua New Guinea, Nicaragua, Denmark, Slovakia, Finland, Kyrgyzstan, Turkmenistan, Georgia, Norway, Croatia, Moldova, Singapore, New Zealand, Costa Rica, Ireland, Lithuania, Albania, Uruguay, Mauritania, Panama, Armenia, Mongolia, Jamaica, Latvia, Macedonia, Namibia, Slovenia, Gabon, Estonia, Mauritius, Trinidad and Tobago, Fiji, Cyprus, Luxembourg, Malta, Iceland, Barbados, Netherlands Antilles, Vanuatu, Samoa
Court, What is the advantage to keeping the cost of government hidden from the governed?
"If you were to go thousands of levels deep into the supply chain, you would reach a point where accumulated taxes account for well over 99% of the price you would be paying."
Well over 99%?...Like 99.999999999999%?
AfterYOU make a statement like that you say I don't understand taxes and the supply chain?.....
HA! who's the fool in this picture?
Is the 125 list all the countries worldwide with a VAT tax? My 25 was in response to "How many countries in the EU".
That's impressive that you have access to data to compose a list like that. Is there a resource you're using that has other data about every country's tax system? If so, and if it's something I could access online, I'd really like to know the URL.
My 25 was in response to "How many countries in the EU".My bad.
That's impressive that you have access to data to compose a list like that. Is there a resource you're using that has other data about every country's tax system? If so, and if it's something I could access online, I'd really like to know the URL.Sorry, it's from a book called The Modern VAT by Ebrill, Keen, Bodin, and Summers. It's available on Amazon and they let you search it and browse a few pages at a time.
Indirect Tax Rates, VAT, GST, Tax, International - Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu
Your statement, "Spending cuts will not happen, so GROWTH of our Economy will be the only way" really got me to thinking, and although it is true that growth in the economy would yield greater tax revenue, and offset the spending, it is not true that it would fix the problem. With socalist friendly tax systems in place, the government will grow right along with the economy, just making the problem worse. Big government THRIVES in good economies. The most socialist local governments in the US are in the states and cities with the biggest economies. When leeches find blood they latch on and get fat. Growing the economy is not going to restrict the federal government from metastacizing further into areas it does not belong. Something must be done to restrict government expansion aside from simply bettering the economy.
In fact, I would assert that independently improving the economic conditions without independently reducing the socialist conditions, would result in worsening the socialist conditions. However, independently reducing the socialist conditions will result directly in improving the economic conditions.
Revenue Neutral, I don't like that word...
I think I understand and agree with your position on this. I used it only to clarify a point of comparing different plans. You had made the statement "I just find the APT so much more spread out and less of a bite than a HUGE NRST", and I was aware it was possible you were making an apples to oranges comparison here, comparing a LOW apt tax to a HIGH sales tax. That comparison is appropriate if they both yield the same revenue, but if you are comparing a NRST which is revenue neutral to our existing sytem, to an APT TAX rate which is not revenue neutral, then the "Less bite" is not an effect of the form of taxation, but an effect of less revenue being collected. So for purposes of comparison, revenue neutrality is a necessity.
Thank you both for the links.
I'm getting a page not found error on that link, AG.
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"That's impressive that you have access to data to compose a list like that."
I would love to know what the relative sizes of other countries tax systems are. I have tried to find that for some time and can't locate a source. I would be willing to bet that no country on the planet has a tax system anywhere near the size and complexity of ours.
Makes YOU wonder how we got to where we are and why we're so much better off than anywhere else in thew world...
Of course, unlike almost anywhere else in the world, if you don't like it here you're free to go to wherever you think it might be better.
Are attempting to infer that America's greatness is due to the size and complexity of our tax system?
Ponder for a moment how much our GDP would have grown in the last 20 years with a national retail sales tax and no income tax. It sure sounds like ll is giving our income tax system a lot of credit for being pro growth.
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