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Kaliningrad Flies an Orange Flag
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Posted on 02/22/2005 2:17:23 PM PST by Lukasz
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posted on
02/22/2005 2:17:25 PM PST
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Lukasz
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posted on
02/22/2005 2:17:55 PM PST
by
Lukasz
(Terra Polonia Semper Fidelis!)
To: Lukasz
The Institute of Me is also located in Kaliningrad!
To: Lukasz
What's the size of the Kaliningrad enclave? It looks like it's about one-third the size of Estonia.
Maybe they should go back to calling the area East Prussia...rather than honoring one of Stalin's flunkeys.
To: martin_fierro
Now that's an architectural masterpiece from the Mikhail Suslov Academy of Fine Arts.
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posted on
02/22/2005 2:57:56 PM PST
by
speedy
To: martin_fierro
Looks like the inspiration behind Jenga.
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posted on
02/22/2005 3:25:37 PM PST
by
Hoplite
To: Lukasz
Please put me on your Eastern European ping list, sir.
As for Memel, wouldn't it simply be easier for Russia to cede this sliver of land to Poland or Lithuania; I'm sure most of the inhabitants (formerly German, but removed after 1945) are Polish or Lithuanian anyway.
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posted on
02/22/2005 4:04:03 PM PST
by
franksolich
(look for the "made in Norway" label on the can of fish)
To: Verginius Rufus
"Maybe they should go back to calling the area East Prussia...rather than honoring one of Stalin's flunkeys."
Wasn't East Prussia much larger than the current Kaliningrad? I thought the current Kaliningrad is what used to be known as Konigsburg.
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posted on
02/22/2005 4:14:33 PM PST
by
AuH2ORepublican
(Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
To: AuH2ORepublican
Yes, Kaliningrad used to be Konigsberg (or Koenigsberg) though there may not be many of the pre-WWII structures left now. As I pointed out on another thread, the king that Koenigsberg was named for was a medieval Slavic king, not a German one (Ottokar of Bohemia)...worthier of being honored than a Soviet official.
Indeed East Prussia used to be quite a bit larger...the southern half of East Prussia was handed over to Poland in 1945 along with some German territories further west, in compensation from the eastern territories Stalin was taking from Poland.
To: Verginius Rufus
Maybe they should go back to calling the area East Prussia...rather than honoring one of Stalin's flunkeys.
German Prussians stole this name. The real Prussians were Baltic people, all killed by Germans. Lithuanians are Baltic people too then if not Russia then Lithuania.
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posted on
02/23/2005 1:08:22 AM PST
by
Lukasz
(Terra Polonia Semper Fidelis!)
To: franksolich
Not exactly, this is quote from Kaliningrad oblast official site
http://www.gov.kaliningrad.ru/en_region.php3
People of more than 97 nationalities live in the Kaliningrad region. Most numerous are Russians - 78%, Belorussians - 7.7%, Ukrainians - 7.4%, Lithuanians - 1.9%, Armenians -0.8%. Germans -0.6%, Poles - 0.5%. The population of Kaliningrad is 424.3 thousand, it is 43.2 thousand in Sovietsk, 42.9 thousand in Chernyakhovsk, 31.1 thousand in Baltijsk, and 27.8 thousand in Gusev.
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posted on
02/23/2005 1:18:58 AM PST
by
Lukasz
(Terra Polonia Semper Fidelis!)
To: AuH2ORepublican
Before and after WWII:
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posted on
02/23/2005 1:38:35 AM PST
by
Lukasz
(Terra Polonia Semper Fidelis!)
To: Lukasz
"People of more than 97 nationalities live in the Kaliningrad region. Most numerous are Russians - 78%"
Very interesting. I guess the Russians made sure that it was their people who populated Konigsburg/Kaliningrad after WWII. It is still the only warm-weather port in Russia, right?
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posted on
02/23/2005 5:11:35 AM PST
by
AuH2ORepublican
(Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
To: Lukasz
Oops, my mistake based upon an assumption, sir.
Surely this minuscule enclave, this tiny isolated piece of real-estate, owned by Russia, is more of a financial drain than a benefit, to Russia.
One of course never wishes to see one's own country broken up piece-by-piece, but I for one as an American, for example, would not object to spinning Puerto Rico free, or all those isolated Pacific islands which we presently subsidize.
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posted on
02/23/2005 6:06:57 AM PST
by
franksolich
(Gud signe var konge god [Harald])
To: speedy
Nobody did poured concrete like the Soviets.
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posted on
02/23/2005 6:08:35 AM PST
by
1rudeboy
To: franksolich
Klaipeda (Memel) is already part of Lithuania.
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posted on
02/23/2005 6:12:44 AM PST
by
1rudeboy
To: AuH2ORepublican
It is still the only warm-weather port in Russia, right?
I even dont know but I suppose that St. Petersburg too. (I count Baltic ports) As for no Baltic sea ports, I know that Murmansk was.
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posted on
02/23/2005 10:16:12 AM PST
by
Lukasz
(Terra Polonia Semper Fidelis!)
To: franksolich
Surely this minuscule enclave, this tiny isolated piece of real-estate, owned by Russia, is more of a financial drain than a benefit, to Russia.
Well, they dont invest in this region too much. Honestly in whole Russia they invest mostly in gas and oil industries. I know that in Kaliningrad oblast they have a bit of oil in the Baltic coast. Kaliningrad is famous because of their amber mines.
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posted on
02/23/2005 10:23:25 AM PST
by
Lukasz
(Terra Polonia Semper Fidelis!)
To: Verginius Rufus
"Kaliningrad used to be Konigsberg (or Koenigsberg)"
In German it was spelled Königsburg, right?
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posted on
02/23/2005 3:13:31 PM PST
by
AuH2ORepublican
(Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
To: AuH2ORepublican
Same difference..."oe" is an alternative way to spell a German word with an o-umlaut (earlier spelled with a little "e" written over the "o"). I don't know how to type the umlaut in this system, but obviously there is a way. (I've seen "o+" used as a way to write the same thing online as well.)
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