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A fascinating glimpse into the inner mind of an autistic savant.

A small quibble with this sentence from the article: "Now he is 26, and a mathematical genius who can figure out cube roots quicker than a calculator and recall pi to 22,514 decimal places." Tammet is not a mathematical genius, as human calculating prodigies almost never are. It's a mistake to equate the ability to do astonishing mental calculations with aptitude for pure mathematics. While it's true that some great mathematicians have also been great calculators—for example, Newton, Euler, and Gauss—not all great mathematicians are great calculators—for example, Alexander Grothendieck. Indeed, Grothendieck, one of the greatest mathematicians of the 20th century, has admitted to not being very good at arithmetic, and there's a pretty funny story told about him (you can find it in this article on page 1196):

One striking characteristic of Grothendieck’s mode of thinking is that it seemed to rely so little on examples. This can be seen in the legend of the so-called “Grothendieck prime”. In a mathematical conversation, someone suggested to Grothendieck that they should consider a particular prime number. “You mean an actual number?” Grothendieck asked. The other person replied, yes, an actual prime number. Grothendieck suggested, “All right,take 57.”

1 posted on 02/19/2005 6:45:22 PM PST by snarks_when_bored
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2 posted on 02/19/2005 6:46:18 PM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: snarks_when_bored

bump flag to read before my little, or last, theorem...


3 posted on 02/19/2005 6:47:50 PM PST by Principled
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"Tammet is also a Christian"

It added up!

4 posted on 02/19/2005 6:55:17 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: snarks_when_bored

That is about the most interesting piece of journalism I ever recall reading in the Guardian.


5 posted on 02/19/2005 6:56:02 PM PST by Texas_Jarhead (Islam is religion of piece established for profit for Muhammad, piss be upon him.)
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To: snarks_when_bored

Wow. Bump.


8 posted on 02/19/2005 6:57:06 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: snarks_when_bored

Amazing coincidence, I'm an idiot savant. Well, except for the savant part...


10 posted on 02/19/2005 7:01:03 PM PST by Abcdefg
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To: snarks_when_bored

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12 posted on 02/19/2005 7:02:27 PM PST by KSCITYBOY
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To: snarks_when_bored
Very very interesting. I wish I could do things like that too; although when it comes down to it, having far less "special ability" but enjoying a normal, "average-joe" life is much more preferable.
15 posted on 02/19/2005 7:03:28 PM PST by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: snarks_when_bored

I thought Leslie Lemke sparked Dustin Hoffman to do "Rainman."


17 posted on 02/19/2005 7:05:39 PM PST by don-o (Stop Freeploading. Do the right thing and become a Monthly Donor.)
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To: snarks_when_bored

Lots to think about here.


18 posted on 02/19/2005 7:06:31 PM PST by OldFriend (America's glory is not dominion, but liberty.)
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To: snarks_when_bored

This is an absolutely fascinating story.

Thanks for posting.


19 posted on 02/19/2005 7:10:05 PM PST by Happygal (liberalism - a narrow tribal outlook largely founded on class prejudice)
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To: snarks_when_bored
It's a mistake to equate the ability to do astonishing mental calculations with aptitude for pure mathematics.

The same thought struck me as I was reading that.

The acid test of mathematical ability is to see how well the person can deduce a proof of theorem he's never seen before. That eliminates all of this memorizing/speed calculating tricks (not that they aren't in and of themselves impressive.) Notice also that these people are "recalling" the value of pi, not calculating it. To them, the value of pi is no differnt than the names/phone numbers in a phone book.

The impression I get from the description is that these folks have a fundamentally different "wiring" (firmware?) in their brains. It is as though they were a computer that was programmed to do ONE thing really well (data I/O and storage), at the expense of virtually every other brain function.

Notice also the strong flavor of OCD described in the behavior: things have to be done in the exact same order and time every day, shopping is uncomfortable because their mind is overloaded with possibilities they feel compelled to explore, and so one. In a sense it's almost like a combination of a brain hard-wired for memory acccess, overlaid with OCD and ADD.

As impressive as some of the feats are, it doesn't sound very pleasant to me.

20 posted on 02/19/2005 7:10:54 PM PST by longshadow
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Actually, he isn't "calculating": there is nothing conscious about what he is doing. He arrives at the answer instantly. Since his epileptic fit, he has been able to see numbers as shapes, colours and textures. The number two, for instance, is a motion, and five is a clap of thunder. "When I multiply numbers together, I see two shapes. The image starts to change and evolve, and a third shape emerges. That's the answer"

This is the best description I've heard yet.

Targeting works like that.

22 posted on 02/19/2005 7:11:56 PM PST by humblegunner
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Grothendieck suggested, “All right,take 57.”

I guess this is proof that I'm not a mad genius... I had to re-read this three times to get the joke.

23 posted on 02/19/2005 7:13:04 PM PST by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: snarks_when_bored
This sounds like what is commonly called Asperger's

Asperger's Syndrome is a term used when a child or adult has some features of autism but may not have the full blown clinical picture. A few people with Asperger's syndrome are very successful and until recently were not diagnosed with anything but were seen as brilliant, eccentric, absent minded, socially inept, and a little awkward physically.

Although the criteria state no significant delay in the development of language milestones, what you might see is a "different" way of using language. A child may have a wonderful vocabulary and even demonstrate hyperlexia but not truly understand the nuances of language and have difficulty with language pragmatics. Social pragmatics also tend be weak, leading the person to appear to be walking to the beat of a "different drum". Motor dyspraxia can be reflected in a tendency to be clumsy.

There is a general impression that Asperger's syndrome carries with it superior intelligence and a tendency to become very interested in and preoccupied with a particular subject. Often this preoccupation leads to a specific career at which the adult is very successful. At younger ages, one might see the child being a bit more rigid and apprehensive about changes or about adhering to routines.

25 posted on 02/19/2005 7:16:43 PM PST by Earthdweller (US descendant of French Protestants)
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To: snarks_when_bored
So can he solve the 3n+1 conundrum? That thing hit me like a curse when I first encountered it.
26 posted on 02/19/2005 7:18:00 PM PST by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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39 posted on 02/19/2005 7:40:53 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Spec.4 Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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Here's one you might find enjoy. Remember the kid I met in the sandwich shop this past summer? He had a photographic memory and did complex math calculations in his head. He described how he saw words and numbers as colors and unfolding shapes. Interesting.


41 posted on 02/19/2005 7:42:02 PM PST by lonevoice (Vast Right Wing Pajama Party)
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To: snarks_when_bored

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43 posted on 02/19/2005 7:45:47 PM PST by monkey
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To: snarks_when_bored

Fascinating.


45 posted on 02/19/2005 7:53:29 PM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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