Drill Instructor Who Struck Marine Recruit Suspended

AP ^ | AP-ES-02-18-05 2332EST

[Echo Talon]

Yeah it is pretty laughable when someone doesn't even need a gun to kill someone. I have been through Marine training. It is a big joke compared to what I had to do. When you get out into the field it is much different though. Actually even more difficult once bootcamp is over. Respect marines? Hell NO. Did they ever respect me? Hell NO.Will I ever respect or give a crap about them? Hell NO. I rest my case. The funny thing about Marine bootcamp is watching all the fat slobs in there without any prior training. Ofcourse they get better before it's over. Some people are there that don't even belong. There was one guy who had a heart attack while doing pushups LOL.

Yea right!

[sway]

Look all the recruits that are coming in these days shouldn't even be there. Look back on the old days. Marines were hard and they got that way from the beginning of boot camp and stayed that way till the end of what ever war they fought in. Now the instructors are becoming the recruits best friends. They have to keep the recruits happy or mommy and daddy get mad. Stop babying these boys and girls and letting them join the Corps. If mommy and daddy did everything for them in the civilian world and they think their going to get the same treatment in boot camp their wrong. Don't even sign, don't even think about the Marines. We go to war first, we survive on our own if we have to. 'If you can't hack it, go home to mommy and daddy alive instead of going to war to die.'

[Eagles6]

Better watch it. He knows a thousand ways to kill a man without even seeing him. If he has been without a job for 4 years I think there may be something a little deeper going on. Wonder how he survives.

[Echo Talon]

Better watch it. He knows a thousand ways to kill a man without even seeing him.

LOL! :D

[Eagles6]

BTW which one of you guys asked for his life story anyway?

[Echo Talon]

BTW which one of you guys asked for his life story anyway?

I don't know, thought that I was done with this debate, and got drug back into it... :(

[Melas]

Laughable? What's funny is that I used to train with marines in my dojo, including my best friend on this earth who joined the Corps. However, these were marines who didn't think they knew it all. They realized that there was still plenty to learn about fighting, and that with training and discipline they could become better fighters than they already were.

Sorry, but you can't match real martial arts training in 12 weeks, 24 weeks or even 52 weeks. I have a lot of respect for Marines and what they do, but please you flatter yourself if you think a Marine emerges from 12 weeks of boot camp with the hand to hand skills a martial artist develops over years of dedicated study and practice.

As an aside, the father of the friend I mentioned above, was at one time on the U.S. rifle team. He'd be the first to tell you that a marine doesn't leave boot camp with the skill that he himself had developed with a rifle through years of dedication either.

[Echo Talon]

[Melas]

Pssst, I have multiple black belts and I carry a gun. Whoever told you that martial artists were too stupid to use firearms lied to you big time.

[Echo Talon]

Pssst... you aren't trained as well with that firearm as a marine is. Also, a marine is an offensive killing machine, a karate man only uses his ability for defense/self defense.

[Melas]

You're right, I'm trained better. If you want I can even produce a living breathing marine, who will grudgingly admit I can outshoot him with either pistol or rifle. My father, a marine himself, taught us both to shoot and then the marine's taught him some more. The difference between us is that I have a genuine love for guns, and practice dilligantly, he doesn't.

I'm not knocking marines here, I'm just scoffing at your attempts to deify them.

[Echo Talon]

Look at this guys site

About 1/2 way down...
Excerpt from the letter I wrote home on November 5, 1968. The whole idea in boot camp is to completely break you down mentally and physically, then build you up to be a killing machine per Marine Corps specifications. The DI's and PC never hesitated to knock you up side the head if you screwed up.

When we ate at the messhall, we had to do everything in a certain way. As we moved through the chow line, we had to face the servers and side step. When we got to the table, we couldn't sit down until everyone was at their place. When the drill instructor or platoon commander said, "Ready", we had to respond with "Kill". When he then said, "Seat", we had to respond with, "VC." We had to do that in our training classes and anywhere else we went to sit down as a group. After awhile, I found myself saying it alone anytime I sat down.anywhere.

Marine training is not just physical, the corps make warriors . Not defenders but warriors.

[mariusthecat]

my son was a recruit. he was told to enter the mens room to fill his canteen. when he entered the room he was approached by a drill instructor and grabbed by his chest and thrown to the floor. striking his head on a toilet. he then was joined by 4 other drill instructors and ordered to get to his next class. while in the class room he raised his hand and said this marine is bleeding from the head. he was told to shut up... as an officer walked in to the class room he observed the injured marine and said get this marine to the hospital now. they stapled 8 stitches to the back of his head with no pain meds. after that to make a long story short. he was offered a chance to go home. which of course he did. his discharge was that he at one time when he was a very young boy was in the hospital for evaluation for alcohol and maybe drugs. they said he did not mention that when he enlisted. what a JOKE...
the bottom line is the marines say none of this happened to him. they say they did not touch him in any way... he must have fallen down or some thing... i am a army guy my self and believe that drill instructors should be able to touch the recruits and get them ready for war... "but when they screw up and really hurt a recruit.. they should honor him and give him the correct discharge. disabled in the service. The marines involved in his case lied and are still not telling the true story... my son was a fine young recruit when he left for training and came back disabled. the marines will not live up to there mistake. Now what do you think about the marines not taking responsibility and honor.
as far as taking action.. we were unable to hire an attorney be cause they all told us that the marines would lie and lie ... the cost of an attorney would be $10,000.00 just to start the case and we were told we would lose the case because the marine would never own up to their mistake.

[mariusthecat]

my son was a recruit. he was told to enter the mens room to fill his canteen. when he entered the room he was approached by a drill instructor and grabbed by his chest and thrown to the floor. striking his head on a toilet. he then was joined by 4 other drill instructors and ordered to get to his next class. while in the class room he raised his hand and said this marine is bleeding from the head. he was told to shut up... as an officer walked in to the class room he observed the injured marine and said get this marine to the hospital now. they stapled 8 stitches to the back of his head with no pain meds. after that to make a long story short. he was offered a chance to go home. which of course he did. his discharge was that he at one time when he was a very young boy was in the hospital for evaluation for alcohol and maybe drugs. they said he did not mention that when he enlisted. what a JOKE...
the bottom line is the marines say none of this happened to him. they say they did not touch him in any way... he must have fallen down or some thing... i am a army guy my self and believe that drill instructors should be able to touch the recruits and get them ready for war... "but when they screw up and really hurt a recruit.. they should honor him and give him the correct discharge. disabled in the service. The marines involved in his case lied and are still not telling the true story... my son was a fine young recruit when he left for training and came back disabled. the marines will not live up to there mistake. Now what do you think about the marines not taking responsibility and honor.
as far as taking action.. we were unable to hire an attorney be cause they all told us that the marines would lie and lie ... the cost of an attorney would be $10,000.00 just to start the case and we were told we would lose the case because the marine would never own up to their mistake.

[ElizeAnyaRose]

I have to disagree, I went through parris Island nearly two years ago and let me tell you something those DI's take an oath to protect train and look out for the well being of those recruits while they are in training and they really need to honor that oath. I was a female recruit in fourth battalion and I saw plenty during my stay there, too much. The DI"S or some of them think they are gods, I saw alot of physical abuse from the point of the recruit. If you are a marine and you say there wasnt any of that going on you are in denial. I was also victim to some physical and mental abuse its hard to bring up because your guided to pretend its not happening. I couldnt tell my SDI and I was too afraid to request talking to my CO. If I had it all over I would tell because if it was made more aware maybe this male recruit thawp or whatever his name is would be alive, maybe if recruits didnt feel so intimidated and came forward people and our lovely government would see what is really going on during bootcamp. I agree you have to weed out the weak but conventionally, lets face it everybody is someones daughter, son, mother, father, niece, newphew, granddaughter or grandson so these DI's need to remember that because it could be their son, daughter , etc.. I'm not saying the marine corp needs to lower thier standards but more consideration should go to those who enlist wether they make it through or not. It takes alot just to enlist and for that they are not weak or what was that word I read in this forum?? oh I know shit-bags.

Semper fi elize

[ElizeAnyaRose]

They pound into your head honor courage and commitment, and here your son was a victim of there false teachings. Im so sorry your son had to go through that. I saw a lot of abuse to female recruits but no recruit would speak up , myself included and it needs to be made aware. please email at ElizeAnyaRose@hotmail.com I would like to talk to you more about the injustices our goverment that preceeds to look the other way.

Not really semper fi is it??

[dfwgator]

Some of y'all are commenting on what happens in the military from the comfortable position of your easy chair, shoveling Doritos into your pie-hole, never having served.

Methinks, everything they "know" about the Marines came from watching "A Few Good Men."

[whatsthedeal2]

I feel sorry for the parents however your right thats whats wrong with everything now everyone wants to know what they can get...like free college.... join for the country

[whatsthedeal2]

another good point I was a recruiter and you wouldnt believe some of these parents (does my son have to go to war i just want him to go to college free and get out!) thats what they use to say still do.