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As a former resident of San Francisco who worked in the congested area but lived in the non-congested area, my question is just where will these toll booths be located?
1 posted on 02/15/2005 2:06:00 PM PST by Alissa
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To: Alissa

Well somebody has to pay for all those gay weddings.


2 posted on 02/15/2005 2:06:52 PM PST by dfwgator (It's sad that the news media treats Michael Jackson better than our military.)
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even worse.....no toll booths but if caught without a pass then what, the cops ticket you......causing more congestion? Hell, I think more people should take BART and such but this is not the way to do it......reward those that exhibit good behavior, don't punish anyone for simply driving on a street.......more BS from "I can't think of any sane solutions" liberals.......


3 posted on 02/15/2005 2:09:22 PM PST by NorCalRepub
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To: Alissa

I never go into SF anyway. It's good with me:-)


5 posted on 02/15/2005 2:10:57 PM PST by Drango (tag line under repair)
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To: Alissa

See this thread: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1343740/posts

Once they get the GPS receiver in your car, there'll be able to send you a bill in the mail after you visit the gas station every couple weeks.


6 posted on 02/15/2005 2:11:12 PM PST by So Cal Rocket (Proud Member: Internet Pajama Wearers for Truth)
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I refuse to drive in San Francisco. Between BART, busses, and the trollies, I got around the city just fine.


8 posted on 02/15/2005 2:13:27 PM PST by Not A Snowbird (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Pajama Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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No toll booths, they use camerass to read license plates and essentially send you the bill. London has a similar system and they have discussed using it in NYC.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/1841315.stm


10 posted on 02/15/2005 2:14:12 PM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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No toll booths, they use camerass to read license plates and essentially send you the bill. London has a similar system and they have discussed using it in NYC.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/1841315.stm

http://www.sfexaminer.com/articles/2005/02/15/news/20050215_ne02_london.txt
CITIES WITH TOLL ZONES
Cities with congestion charging zones:

Trondheim, Norway (pop. 154,351)
Bergen, Norway (pop. 211,200)
Rome, Italy (pop. 2.5 million)
Durham, England (pop. 493,470)
London, England (pop. 7.2 million)
Singapore (pop. 4.2 million)


11 posted on 02/15/2005 2:17:11 PM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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,,, it will probably be done by readers cut into roads within designated toll zones starting on the fringes of the CBD. They'll spray your car with microdots and a satellite will read them as you enter and exit the zones. Technology used in Singapore employs reading devices on overhead beams that read cards inserted into devices in the windshields of vehicles. Users top up their cards with credits and are charged on a composite basis of roads used and peak or off peak times deducts credits on a central computer. That's pretty much old technology now, but it works well.


13 posted on 02/15/2005 2:19:26 PM PST by shaggy eel
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The homeless begging at stop lights downtown is tax enough.


14 posted on 02/15/2005 2:21:34 PM PST by Uncledave
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Toll to drive into downtown SF? Whatever...

I'd be more impressed if they'd set up a vaccination center to protect unwitting travellers going into SF.

16 posted on 02/15/2005 2:26:21 PM PST by AngryJawa (230 Grains of Happy)
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To: Alissa; dfwgator; NorCalRepub; Baynative; Drango; So Cal Rocket; EagleUSA; SandyInSeattle; ...
"The key issue here is if we can kill three birds with one stone -- relieve congestion, clean up the air, and give money to Muni

Ah, the "trifecta" of the Socialist-Left: simultaneously dis-empower the people (restrict freedom of mobility and access), advance a false and disingenuous agenda to disguise true motives ("it's for the environment", "it's for the children", "it's for the homeless", etc.), and rape people of their earnings to line the pockets of the greedy politburo (under the guise of providing social services).

17 posted on 02/15/2005 2:28:55 PM PST by SpyGuy (Liberalism is slow societal suicide. And screw political correctness: Islam is the Religion of Death)
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What happens in San Franciso should stay in San Franciso..


18 posted on 02/15/2005 2:29:12 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been ok'ed me to included some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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San Francisco would become the first city in the nation to charge drivers just for driving in its chronically congested downtown under a sure-to-be controversial proposal being aired today.

Supervisor Jake McGoldrick, chair of the San Francisco Transportation Authority, will ask the agency to study a downtown toll zone -- whereby drivers would need to purchase a daily pass to drive in The City's most congested streets -- as a potential solution to the Municipal Transportation Agency's woeful budget problems.

"The key issue here is if we can kill three birds with one stone -- relieve congestion, clean up the air, and give money to Muni -- we would have hit a home run," McGoldrick said.

I'm thinking that a municipal abattoir for registered Democrats and members of the Socialist, Communist, and Green Parties would be much more efficient at relieving congestion and cleaning the air. Plus, with the swag taken from the victims, err, I mean participants, the program would pay for itself and then some...

19 posted on 02/15/2005 2:29:59 PM PST by HenryLeeII (Democrats have helped kill more Americans than the Soviets and Nazis combined!)
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San Francisco... en route to Ecotopia
20 posted on 02/15/2005 2:30:08 PM PST by Alia
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Might be a great idea! But, in San Francisco, the devil is always in the details. Some one will raise objections and exceptions will be made to classes of people. I have no idea who, but it will happen.

For example, how about, "toll passes put too much additional stress on those with AIDS taking drug cocktails." There will be a toll tag exception for anyone who claims to have AIDS or who might ever transport some one with AIDS or any material that might ever be used for/by some one with AIDS. Toll tags, by definition, must be unfair to minorities. The mayor and key city employees MUST be able to move freely around the city so all city employees will be exempt from toll tags. This would be a key issue in negotiations with the union who represent ccity employees at the next extortion session. I gotta believe that the homeless who live in different shelters every night and have to drive in to Market Street to harrass the tourists should be exempt.

No, the toll tag concept probably is a great idea. It is the corruption of that concept by the neocommunists who run the city that will give normal people the biggest laughs.

23 posted on 02/15/2005 2:32:46 PM PST by Tacis ("John ("What SF-180?") Kerry - Still Shilling For Those Who Wish America Ill!")
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What about tourist make a few wrong turns, and ouch you could have a nice big bill. Or for that matter, local folks that only go to the city once in a blue moon. And there are many....


25 posted on 02/15/2005 2:36:06 PM PST by Deetes
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Perhaps the suburban areas should charge tolls on
San Francisco residents when they venture out of
their insane-asylum of a city. In addition, San
Francisco should be forced to pay any suburb or
outlying area all the costs incurred by any crime
their residents commit outside of the city --- court costs, legal fees, reparations to victims, police costs, incarceration costs. I'm sure San Francisco would
only think this fair.


28 posted on 02/15/2005 2:43:06 PM PST by StormEye
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I live and work in San Francisco, it is a great town. I have never been accosted by a homeless person. I have never been "hit on" by a gay, never have heard a gunshot -although the firecrackers during Chinese New Year are pretty cool. Our fair city like all has its problems and its share of nuts but it is a beautiful place with great weather (65 in winter 65 in summer); Mendocino, Napa Valley, Tahoe and Yosemite are all within 4 hours drive. I would live nowhere else (except maybe LaJolla).
30 posted on 02/15/2005 2:47:10 PM PST by SF Republican
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Tolls, tolls and more tolls! As long as they're just taxing themselves, I say more power to them.

Keep driving up the costs of doing business in SF. I sure won't care.


34 posted on 02/15/2005 2:56:03 PM PST by untrained skeptic
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How about taxing the homeless who pee and poop in public? Like, they have to give back an empty deposit bottle or two ...


37 posted on 02/15/2005 2:59:38 PM PST by hillary's_fat_a**
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