Ron Paul - The National ID Trojan Horse

House Web Site ^ | 2-14-2005 | Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX)

[ctdonath2]

Then why does this bill require "Proof of the person's social security account number" for a _driver's_license_? I'm sure it doesn't have anything to do with your federally-mandated retirement plan...

[OKSooner]

Ping.

[ctdonath2]

There is much more to the law. #29 above just lists what is required to get such a card, what shall be printed on it, what databases it shall be linked to and who has access to that information. Go to http://www.thomas.loc.gov and look up the bill number there.

[sdpatriot]

yes, i use Thomas.gov all the time.

between this and the crud at sd legistlature i have been staying pretty well PO'd at both the Fed Reps and my State Reps.

seems it is the law abiding citizen who must constantly be burdaned with more and more laws, rules and regulations for a bunch of worthless congress numbskulls trying to pass the buck and cover their hineys for past (percieved?) mistakes. someone please tell me how this law would have prevented all the 9/11 hijackers from carrying out ther act? i don't see it.. i just see our personal freedoms and privacy going further down the tubes.

[Condor51]

Yes, I saw the 'linking of databases'. It's between the States, not Canada and Mexico as the article says. And if there already was a linked database in 2001, Mohamed Atta wouldn't have had 5(?) different DL's.

As to what SD is proposing, that has no correlation to this Bill.

[inquest]

Thanks. Now I see that the portion you posted at #29 is the entire portion of the bill that's relevant to the thread.

By the way, Dr. Paul is correct that this information is to be shared with Mexico and Canada. Section 203(a) requires that "To be eligible to receive any grant or other type of financial assistance made available under this title, a State shall participate in the interstate compact regarding sharing of driver license data, known as the 'Driver License Agreement', in order to provide electronic access by a State to information contained in the motor vehicle databases of all other States."

This "Driver License Agreement", contrary to the impression contained in the bill, includes not only states of the USA but also any "territory of Canada or any state of the Republic of Mexico or the federal district of Mexico." Source

[lilylangtree]

Bad idea! Repercussions are endless. Reminds a person of the unfolding of Revelations.

[agitator]

[zeugma]

(2) Motor vehicle drivers' histories, including motor vehicle violations, suspensions, and points on licenses.

In addition, it looks like the insurance companies have had their way with the senate on this. Can anyone come up with an actual "security" purpose for the above?

[ctdonath2]

Let me assure you that information IS shared. I got a normal speeding ticket near Ottawa Canada, and New York nearly pulled my license for it. (Ain't that sweet? NY punishing a US citizen for a traffic violation in another COUTNRY!)

[zeugma]

This "Driver License Agreement", contrary to the impression contained in the bill, includes not only states of the USA but also any "territory of Canada or any state of the Republic of Mexico or the federal district of Mexico."

Thanks for posting that inquest. What say ye Condor51?

[inquest]

No problem. (your tagline cracked me up, btw)

[zeugma]

My oldest daughter came up with the tag. Her sense of humor is twisted similar to mine. In light of the fact that my annual shipment of finely ground, and slightly minty girlscouts arrived today, I'm going to modify it in their memory.

[Ghost of Philip Marlowe]

As contemporary conservatives, a better descriptor for the beliefs of most of us is "Jeffersonian liberal." Jefferson and the founding fathers were 'liberal' in terms of granting freedom and independence to the populace. They did so because they, too feared government.

It is wise to fear government. The cost of our liberty is eternal vigilance to ensure they do not become totalitarian, as a greater man than I once stated. A National ID card, which is a defacto national database of the citizenry is another step in that direction.

It's a shame we allowed the Leftists to co-opt the term "liberal," which they did as part of their redefining what freedom is so that it mean government control.

[sdpatriot]

all he needed was one.

look, the Feds screwed up on Atta. mainly because of the Clinton era "wall" in place. that is a fact.

making new rules, regs, and laws that infringe on the privacy and freedoms of LAW ABIDING citizens is nothing but a cop out for the Reps and paying hommage to the allmighty 9/11 Committee.


as to the SD bill... i disagree. the SD HB 1209 is to make it possible for LE to have a data base on gun permit owners. before, if you forgot your permit, you had so many hours to bring it in to the local LE for proof. much like our 'proof of insurance' law.
but with this bill, that info will be in a LE data base connected with your DL. so if pulled over for a traffic violation and the LE runs a check on you DL it will show that you are a permit owner (gun owner). so when this Fed bill makes all that DL data available to all the states and to the Feds etc..... that makes it a connections between the two.

and it's dead wrong and unconstitutional.

[Free Vulcan]

self-ping

[dljordan]

"computers run everything"

Nope, people run everything, computers just do what the people tell them.

[Veritas et equitas ad Votum]

Steven must be some kind of drive-by bomb thrower.

[Condor51]

Because besides citizens, only those aliens here legally can get a SS card, that's why. Illegals can't get a SS card, ergo they can't get a DL (or state ID).

[BushisTheMan]

Yep, and I'm one of them.