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Ron Paul - The National ID Trojan Horse
House Web Site ^ | 2-14-2005 | Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX)

Posted on 02/14/2005 9:43:53 AM PST by jmc813

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1 posted on 02/14/2005 9:43:54 AM PST by jmc813
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To: jmc813
The bill even provides for this sensitive information of American citizens to be shared with Canada and Mexico! Imagine a corrupt Mexican official selling thousands of identity files, including Social Security numbers, to criminals!

Regardless of what one might think of the rest of the bill, this alone should be enough to oppose it in my opinion.

2 posted on 02/14/2005 9:46:43 AM PST by jmc813 (Fiesta in the making at the Moontower)
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As much as we dont like it, it is GOING to happen. computers run everything, and computers need a unique identifier for their database tables.

Just like your phone book- it is sorted alphabetically by name, but the PHONE NUMBER is unique- no matter how many 'Jim Smith's there are each has his own number.

This is no different.

And yes I am fully aware of the 'mark of the beast'


3 posted on 02/14/2005 9:47:33 AM PST by Mr. K (this space for rent)
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To: jmc813

The U.S. House of Representatives passed a national ID bill last week that masqueraded as “immigration reform.” The bill does nothing to address immigration policy, however, nor does it propose deporting a single illegal alien already in our country. It does nothing to address the porous border between the U.S. and Mexico, which is the fundamental problem. In reality, the bill is a Trojan horse. It pretends to offer desperately needed border control in order to con a credulous Congress into sacrificing more of our constitutionally protected liberty.
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This is a sham. Just like the impotence and silence we receive from our government on REAL IMMIGRATION FIXES. Nothing. I took exception with someone the other day that posted "our government is our worst enemy"...maybe I should not have been so hasty.


4 posted on 02/14/2005 9:49:53 AM PST by EagleUSA
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To: EagleUSA

"our government is our worst enemy".

Whoever that was, I agree with them completely.


5 posted on 02/14/2005 9:50:57 AM PST by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Vote for true conservatives!)
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To: jmc813

In total agreeance.


6 posted on 02/14/2005 9:51:02 AM PST by Fyscat
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To: jmc813

"Government is not the solution to our problem, government is the problem." - Ronald Reagan


7 posted on 02/14/2005 9:54:32 AM PST by bahblahbah
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To: bahblahbah

The difference here is that one man (Reagan) is / was sane and the other is frequently off his required medications. Ron Paul is such a loon that even when he appears to be coherent and make some modicum of sense he remains a complete & total kook.


8 posted on 02/14/2005 9:56:11 AM PST by Steven W.
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To: Fyscat
I am a conservitive, but I am sure begining to wonder about our goverment.
9 posted on 02/14/2005 9:57:01 AM PST by teancumspirit (Like Teancum, (the warrior of old ) I am mad at the enemy, they are evil, they must be stopped.)
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To: jmc813
And the fools keep their eyes locked firmly on the sky while stepping off the cliff.

Balkanization, atrocity, then civil war.

Ahhhh the hubris of the enlightened politicians.

I wonder if they think their bodyguards will die for them before they get ordered by armed civilians to "stand against the wall"?

I mean AFTER they take the final steps (like this one) that cause the civil war.
10 posted on 02/14/2005 9:58:16 AM PST by Anvilhead
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To: Steven W.

What is it exactly, that you find insane about this article?


11 posted on 02/14/2005 10:01:25 AM PST by duk
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To: teancumspirit

You're conservative, yet only now beginning to wonder? ;-)


12 posted on 02/14/2005 10:02:14 AM PST by kenth (I love the smell of burning troll in the morning.)
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To: jmc813

"You have zero privacy anyway," "Get over it." - Scott McNealy, CEO Sun Microsystems


13 posted on 02/14/2005 10:02:37 AM PST by atomic_dog
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To: duk

Bushbots and party-line Republicans seem to very much dislike Ron Paul (a Libertarian).


14 posted on 02/14/2005 10:03:47 AM PST by xrp (Executing assigned posting duties flawlessly -- ZERO mistakes)
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To: risk; Travis McGee

ping!


15 posted on 02/14/2005 10:09:07 AM PST by Hat-Trick (Do you trust a government that cannot trust you with guns?)
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To: jmc813
moving us ever closer to a police state

You got it!

16 posted on 02/14/2005 10:09:53 AM PST by my_pointy_head_is_sharp
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To: jmc813
I'm very libertarian-minded, and I believe the other stuff he brings up (like the info sharing with Canada and Mexico) to be a big problem if true.

That said, Paul is either insane or spinning like a top.

The "national ID card" is not a national ID card, and calling it that is every bit as disingenuous as Kate Michelman caling pro-lifers an "anti-choice extremists." The bill would set forth standards for state IDs so that forgery would be easier to detect. Saying this ammounts to "papers, please" (as Paul did on the floor of the House recently) is as silly as objecting to the Uniform Commercial Code because it is a "national business law system."

If he wants to make sure there's no biometric data on them, that's fine, though it seems pretty silly to me to believe that an ID that's harder to fake will somehow ruin privacy. But let's not pretend that making it harder to fake IDs is going to make us less safe, and let's sure not kill a bill cutting off licenses for illegals because someday someone might put a retina scan on a license.

Let's also remember that this is the same Ron Paul who believes the answer to judicial activism is to gut the judicial branch to the point that it can't protect any rights, either. Just because someone's anti-government doesn't mean they're thinking straight, it just means they've grasped the obvious in their political thought.

17 posted on 02/14/2005 10:10:19 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (Chrome wheeled, fuel injected and steppin' out over the line)
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To: xrp

The writer of this article is unimportant if the facts are truly facts! From what I have read elsewhere, this Bill is nothing more than a National I.D. for Americans.

I don't know what the "exact" Bill says; but that is what FR is all about. So, are the stated facts in the article true??


18 posted on 02/14/2005 10:10:49 AM PST by duk
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To: jmc813

Anyone know who sponsored this bill. If Ron Paul's description is accurate, this is pretty scary stuff.


19 posted on 02/14/2005 10:13:47 AM PST by kimosabe31
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To: xrp
Bushbots and party-line Republicans seem to very much dislike Ron Paul (a Libertarian).

Have you read his "We The People" Act? In Ron Paul's world, the way to cure federal judicial activism is to take the federal judiciary and make it unable to rule on any social/civil rights issue. Well, the problem with that is that the same court system that tried to screw with the Pledge of Allegiance is also the same system that guarantees the Boy Scouts their freedom of association. Libertarianism is just like anything else, it can be silly if it has no moderation, and "solving" an assault on rights by taking away protection of those rights is a prime example.

20 posted on 02/14/2005 10:14:38 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (Chrome wheeled, fuel injected and steppin' out over the line)
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