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Posted on 02/13/2005 10:41:05 AM PST by nsmart

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To: lewislynn

"One employee or ten zillion employee's at 7.65% is still only 7.65%...Why is that so difficult for you to grasp?"

Why is the concept of a supply chain and taxes accumulating within it so difficult for you to grasp?


261 posted on 02/15/2005 4:23:56 AM PST by phil_will1
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To: phil_will1
Fine. You totally reject the notion that one of the objectives of tax reform should be to adopt one that is more pro-growth.

Ummm, what economist in their right mind would really believe putting all the tax on consumption will be more pro-growth. I can only believe one who has been given millons of dollars to study it and say so.

262 posted on 02/15/2005 4:36:54 AM PST by Always Right
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To: phil_will1
Ridiculous. What is the WTO going ...

When it comes to the WTO and making anti-American rulings, nothing is too ridiculous.

263 posted on 02/15/2005 4:38:11 AM PST by Always Right
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To: phil_will1
Geez, you are really in a panic about this, aren't you? Your imagination has been working overtime!

What imagination. Everything I stated was fact. You are incenticizing people to cheat more. A 30% tax on gross will make a lot of people become very creative.

264 posted on 02/15/2005 4:40:30 AM PST by Always Right
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To: Always Right

"That's no assumption, that's a know fact. FAIR/NRST folks have paid people to post here on FreeRepublic and have feed them information to post. And I wouldn't be surprised if geezer is not getting $400-800 to post to FreeRepublic."

Can I get in on some of that?


265 posted on 02/15/2005 5:22:56 AM PST by CSM ("I just started shooting," said Gloria Doster, 56. "I was trying to blow his brains out ....")
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To: Always Right

"The fair tax will benefit import-exporters and help with our trade deficit, until the WTO rules it illegal and forces us to eliminate it on imports. That may not happen, but it would not surprise me."

When did we defer our soveriegnty (sp?) to the WTO?


266 posted on 02/15/2005 5:25:25 AM PST by CSM ("I just started shooting," said Gloria Doster, 56. "I was trying to blow his brains out ....")
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To: lewislynn

"One employee or ten zillion employee's at 7.65% is still only 7.65%...Why is that so difficult for you to grasp?"

I agree, in the cases of products or services that have no supply chain. I just can't think of any instances where no supply chain exists. Can you give me an example?


267 posted on 02/15/2005 5:27:59 AM PST by CSM ("I just started shooting," said Gloria Doster, 56. "I was trying to blow his brains out ....")
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To: Always Right

"A 30% tax on gross will make a lot of people become very creative."

Isn't that the situation that we have today? Half the people/businesses pay that rate on gross earnings, what prevents them from cheating?


268 posted on 02/15/2005 5:33:34 AM PST by CSM ("I just started shooting," said Gloria Doster, 56. "I was trying to blow his brains out ....")
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To: lewislynn
One employee or ten zillion employee's at 7.65% is still only 7.65%...Why is that so difficult for you to grasp?

Please tell me you're kidding.

269 posted on 02/15/2005 5:35:07 AM PST by Principled
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To: CSM
When did we defer our soveriegnty (sp?) to the WTO?

When we joined. They have ruled several times some of our policies were illegal and fined us into submission.

270 posted on 02/15/2005 5:42:35 AM PST by Always Right
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To: CSM
Half the people/businesses pay that rate on gross earnings, what prevents them from cheating?

No one pays tax on their gross, they pay tax on their earning. My earnings are less than 10% of my gross, so it is a more than 10 fold change you are trying to make me swallow.

271 posted on 02/15/2005 5:44:42 AM PST by Always Right
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To: CSM
I agree, in the cases of products or services that have no supply chain. I just can't think of any instances where no supply chain exists. Can you give me an example?

One of the many millions of people who provide services. Accountants, private nurse, lawn care, lawyer, doctors, etc.

272 posted on 02/15/2005 5:46:31 AM PST by Always Right
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To: CSM
Can I get in on some of that?

You will have to talk to them. I am not sure who is on their payroll right now. One of them who was tragically left us.

273 posted on 02/15/2005 5:49:15 AM PST by Always Right
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To: Always Right

"When we joined. They have ruled several times some of our policies were illegal and fined us into submission"

I thought of that after I posted my comment. Another discussion entirely, but we should exit that organization as we walk away from the UN.

"No one pays tax on their gross, they pay tax on their earning. My earnings are less than 10% of my gross, so it is a more than 10 fold change you are trying to make me swallow."

Actually, as an employee I pay taxes on my gross, but I am not a business with the expenses to deduct. So, yes as a business I agree with you. How would it change for you under the NRST? Isn't your business expenses exempt from the sales tax under the legislation?


274 posted on 02/15/2005 5:50:15 AM PST by CSM ("I just started shooting," said Gloria Doster, 56. "I was trying to blow his brains out ....")
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To: CSM
Actually, as an employee I pay taxes on my gross, but I am not a business with the expenses to deduct. So, yes as a business I agree with you. How would it change for you under the NRST? Isn't your business expenses exempt from the sales tax under the legislation?

If it was, I would not have a problem with this legislation. But new homes are taxed 30% just like all consumer goods. Old homes can be bought tax free. If there is one business this is gonna kill it is the housing industry, and new car sales will also be significantly impacted along with a few other big ticketed items. Seeing that 30% tax on the bill will just turn a lot of people off and they will seek alternatives.

275 posted on 02/15/2005 5:53:42 AM PST by Always Right
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To: Always Right; ancient_geezer

IIRC the WTO has already ruled that such an nrst is good.


276 posted on 02/15/2005 6:04:47 AM PST by Principled
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To: Always Right
But new homes are taxed 30% just like all consumer goods.

This is the exact situation we're in today. THe only difference is that under the nrst, the amount of tax will be itemized when new goods/services are consumed at retail.

Prices will be about the same - it's what folks have been paying all along. Why would that change a buying decision? It will sure make folks mad at gov't spending - that's a good thing.

277 posted on 02/15/2005 6:09:35 AM PST by Principled
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To: nsmart
I can't imagine Wal-Mart trying to cheat and risking the sanction.

Just what is the "sanction"?

WalMart may not risk a "sanction," but you have to admit that there would be countless other people selling things -- say in WalMart's parking lot -- that WalMart sells, but for 30% less. And that many consumers would prefer to buy the same or a comparable item for 30% less.

The NSRT would cause a huge black market and disruption to our economy and society.
278 posted on 02/15/2005 6:16:08 AM PST by Iwo Jima
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To: Always Right

"Resturants will have second cash registers that they don't report and pocket the tax Other businesses will do the same."

"What imagination. Everything I stated was fact."

Do you have a link for your "facts"?


279 posted on 02/15/2005 6:20:04 AM PST by phil_will1
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To: Principled
So this so-called "prebate" means that everybody gets or at least is entitled to a monthly government check. We're all going to be on the government dole.

I'm opposed to socialism. Apparently, NRSTers are in favor of socialism.

It would be no time at all before the "prebate" would have to be raised because "people can't live on that low amount."
280 posted on 02/15/2005 6:21:20 AM PST by Iwo Jima
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