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Behe Jumps the Shark [response to Michael Behe's NYTimes op-ed, "Design for Living"]
Butterflies and Wheels (reprinted from pharyngula.org) ^ | February 7, 2005 | P. Z. Myers

Posted on 02/12/2005 4:24:09 PM PST by snarks_when_bored

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To: furball4paws
I spend most of my time trying to simplify things.

LOL!!!

As a semi-retired (life sciences) Prof., that's been my life's daily goal and burden, and it's good that others see the value in such a pedagogical viewpoint.

My point: I've been mostly lurking on the thread, today. The massive amount of exquisite detail in these arguments is beginning to crowd out the issue, to say the least. It's akin to a little gemstone of an idea rolling down a snowy hill and ending up at the bottom as a waist-high snow ball.

161 posted on 02/13/2005 2:41:49 PM PST by Rudder
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To: qam1
I would think you have trouble forgetting a lot of trite stuff. Especially anything you can wrap a grudge around.

I note that the people like yourself who take the evolutionist line do have a lot of grudges. Grudges and straw men. The two have something in common.

Why am I a liar, btw? Is it possible that I may have made a mistake? Is every mistake a lie? To a prejudicial grudge-seeker it sure is. Are you one? If you hold to that I am a liar prove then that my mistake was intentional, deliberate!

That last is a rhetorical question. You can not so prove, at least by honest proof. Don't accept less.

162 posted on 02/13/2005 2:42:58 PM PST by bvw
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To: LiteKeeper
There is a large body of research substantiating Intelligent Design, and the work stands up to scrutiny far better than evolutionism does. It fits the evidence!

Unfortunetly, the "large body of research" was written in a code, and the invisible pink unicorn stole the magic decoder ring...

163 posted on 02/13/2005 2:46:08 PM PST by WildHorseCrash
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To: qam1
The other names you mention I can't recollect knowing, yet Malthus I do. His gloomy prognosis has been disproven by time. People, like their Creator, are constantly inventive.

And the count of world's population is at any time iffy, and by some current counts declining.

164 posted on 02/13/2005 2:47:29 PM PST by bvw
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To: qam1

Are you saying the ones removed from the camp were killed? What are you saying with that?


165 posted on 02/13/2005 2:49:08 PM PST by bvw
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To: Long Cut

Say what you mean! Then will I answer.


166 posted on 02/13/2005 2:55:04 PM PST by bvw
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To: snarks_when_bored

It might have been nice if you had added that Behe is a professor at Lehigh University, and not just a Fellow at the Discovery Institute.


167 posted on 02/13/2005 2:55:20 PM PST by Binghamton_native
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To: Credo_ut_intelligam
Two suggestions: 1. Christians are not by definition nonintellectuals, and 2.We have a legitimate place at the conservative table.

True, but don't treat the opposites as equally true. Some Christians are (especially about this subject) mind-numbingingly ignorant. Further, they may have a place at the table, they have no right to hijack the conservative movement or Republican party and force them to work towards the ends of their superstitious boobery.

168 posted on 02/13/2005 2:56:35 PM PST by WildHorseCrash
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To: js1138
"ID is isomorphic with socialism. Nothing happens unless it is planned.

Wow. That's really good. Evolutionists need to come up with soundbytes, because that's all the IDiots use. That's really great because it also attacks the left.

169 posted on 02/13/2005 3:12:28 PM PST by ValenB4
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To: Dimensio; Doctor Stochastic
Many computer programmers do commit irresponsible complexity.

Hey! It works and that's all that matters!
I just let /O1 whittle it down for me. :-)

(Oh man, I gotta get out of the office once in a while!)

170 posted on 02/13/2005 3:21:12 PM PST by jennyp (WHAT I'M READING NOW: Professional NT Services by Miller)
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To: AntiGuv
...try leaving some flour out for a long while and then add water to it and see what critters swim up out of it...

Try keeping a sealed bag of flour in the pantry for a year. If you're skeptical, seal it in a ziplock bag first.

171 posted on 02/13/2005 3:21:46 PM PST by js1138
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To: js1138

Do I get to sterilize it first?


172 posted on 02/13/2005 3:29:01 PM PST by furball4paws ("These are Microbes."... "You have crobes?" BC)
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To: PatrickHenry; js1138
ID is isomorphic with socialism. Nothing happens unless it is planned.

Very good insight. I haven't seen it before.

Hmmm, let's see...
Communism - In economics, the theory that nothing interesting happens unless it is planned.

Capitalism - In economics, the theory that interesting things unexpectedly emerge out of a partially-chaotic system that obeys a few rules.

Intelligent Design - In biology, the theory that nothing interesting happens unless it is designed.

Evolution - In biology, the theory that interesting things unexpectedly emerge out of a partially-chaotic system that obeys a few rules.


173 posted on 02/13/2005 3:29:32 PM PST by jennyp (WHAT I'M READING NOW: Professional NT Services by Miller)
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To: bvw
If you hold to that I am a liar prove then that my mistake was intentional, deliberate!

In my opinion, a falsehood posted negligently or with reckless disregard for the truth is a lie, to the same degree as a deliberate falsehood. However, it is possible that my ethical code is somewhat more stringent than yours.

174 posted on 02/13/2005 3:34:35 PM PST by Right Wing Professor (Evolve or die!)
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To: jennyp
It's even more interesting the more you look at it in detail. The whole point of capitalism is that you can't really predict the future. Order come out of the stochastic process of many people guessing and a few being successful.

The best post I've seen on this started with the question, "Who feeds New York City?" Another way of putting it is to ask how the intricate system of supply and demand came about: was it designed by the city government? Was it designed by some super entrepreneur? Why aren't all restaurants the same? Why aren't all successful restaurants good? Why do good restaurants sometimes go broke?
175 posted on 02/13/2005 3:40:00 PM PST by js1138
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To: Right Wing Professor

"However, it is possible that my ethical code is somewhat more stringent than yours."


BOINK!


176 posted on 02/13/2005 3:41:17 PM PST by furball4paws ("These are Microbes."... "You have crobes?" BC)
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To: js1138

"Who feeds New York City?"

Sounds Randian, jennyp should like it. Is it in the archives?


177 posted on 02/13/2005 3:44:45 PM PST by furball4paws ("These are Microbes."... "You have crobes?" BC)
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To: furball4paws
Sounds Randian

Are you unaquainted with market economics? Are conservative ideas automatically associated with Ayn Rand?

178 posted on 02/13/2005 3:49:48 PM PST by js1138
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To: DallasMike

And according to the theory of evolution the TTSS came long AFTER the flagellum.


179 posted on 02/13/2005 3:52:18 PM PST by Tribune7
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To: furball4paws

ID is to biology what scientific socialism is to economics; it is based on the assumption that central planning is necessary and inevitable. It is based on the assumption that you can forsee all contingencies in a chaotic system and plan a perfect instrument for dealing with them.


180 posted on 02/13/2005 3:54:17 PM PST by js1138
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