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Safe place for users cleaned up Vancouver slum, free drugs may make it safer
cnews.canoe.ca ^ | Feb. 12, 2005 | AMY CARMICHAEL

Posted on 02/12/2005 9:52:42 AM PST by fanfan

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Oh, Great! Law abiding citizens with diabetes pay for there own insulin and needles, but lets give heroin to the non-productive for free.

Just great!

1 posted on 02/12/2005 9:52:43 AM PST by fanfan
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This is just plain wrong. Government has no business telling adults what they may or may not put into their own bodies. But government also has no business telling one person to fund another's vices. What's next? Free Internet access for porn addicts? Free pork cracklin's for the morbidly obese? If they really wanted to help the "poor addicts", then they should legalize all recreational narcotics. Let the free market determine prices; not criminal gangs. The drugs will be cheaper and the "poor addicts" won't be stealing to pay for their habits. Nor will anyone else be forced to subsidize their addiction.
2 posted on 02/12/2005 10:01:04 AM PST by Redcloak (More cleverly arranged 1's and 0's)
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Instead, 156 people chosen for NAOMI will go to its Downtown Eastside office, pick up clean needles, rigs and their prescription and immediately inject under the supervision of registered nurses.
What the.....
Prescription?! Registered nurses.?! Pharmaceutical grade heroin? I'm appalled. They're making these people out to be victims! What about the sick people that actually need health services?
3 posted on 02/12/2005 10:01:24 AM PST by Beaker (Obey gravity... It's the law.)
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It makes more sense to me to give the drugs to the addicts, and have them all in one place, than to keep prohibiting the drugs, and have them constantly running round breaking into houses and cars, or robbing the elderly or convenience stores.
4 posted on 02/12/2005 10:12:11 AM PST by Enterprise ("Dance with the Devil by the Pale Moonlight" - Islam compels you!)
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I guess I'm one of the few, but I think that this is a good idea.

The reason: This not only has ramifications for the user and his immediate enviornment, it would have ramifications concerning the growers, traffickers, pushers, etc. If the user can get his stuff free, think what this would do to all theose who make their living off the drug trade. The effect would be the same as the end of Prohibition on bootleggers.

There was a news story recently to the effect that Osama ben Laden and al Qaeda make millions off the drug trade, Those millions are used against us.

Even without the terrorist aspect, free drugs, distributed under tight control, would dry up the international drug cartels.

Further, Prohibition caused the rise of the crime families in the US. Drug prohibition is the cause of the international crime families.


5 posted on 02/12/2005 10:13:58 AM PST by BLASTER 14
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THE EXPERIMENT

WE OFTEN WONDER DEBATE AND QUESTION

what would happen if drugs were legal??

WE WILL SEE




6 posted on 02/12/2005 10:20:02 AM PST by LauraleeBraswell (Forgive Russia, Ignore Germany, Punish France - Condoleezza Rice)
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To: BLASTER 14
here is would be a lawsuit waiting to happen....someone dies-sue, someone gets a disease-sue, someone doesn't feel like they are getting the right dosage for their needs--sue

not to mention...what about people addicted to alcohol, cigarettes--should we be providing for them too

I personally am addicted to chocolate---cause trouble in the name of my addiction and hey shouldn't the government pay for it? (peanut M&Ms and Godiva are on my priority list)
make it privately funded/not with tax dollars and then I feel better about it.
7 posted on 02/12/2005 10:23:31 AM PST by socialismisinsidious ("A government that is big enough to give you all you want is big enough to take it all away.")
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To: fanfan

drug addicts break into houses and steal things for drug money... but you don't see alcoholics break into houses for alcohol money.

the reason why is obvious - alcohol is relatively cheap and freely available... winos can legally get hammered with no legal problems.

apply the same principle to heroin.


8 posted on 02/12/2005 10:23:59 AM PST by music is math
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The money is all ready being spent on the WOD, if this works the only down side is to those in Law Enforcement who take home nice paychecks. This is who the WOD is for, like everything else follow the money.

You are correct give the market a chance.

Less money spent on the WOD = More take home pay.


9 posted on 02/12/2005 10:42:59 AM PST by Mark was here (My tag line was about to be censored.)
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"Fixing" people.

So maybe they can clean up enough to get "jobs".

...Jobs "fixing" other people.

State-run? Insanity.


10 posted on 02/12/2005 10:43:15 AM PST by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: LauraleeBraswell

Thanks for making the leap.

If drugs were legal the cartels and all their baggage would be left in the dust. How many alcoholics were caused by Prohibition? I would guess quite a few, for the simple reason that many young people want to do and try things that the "old folks" think are bad--they want to rebel. In the late 1940's and on into the 1950's I was one such. (I was also very stupid, but that's another story).

In any case, I think that Prohibition in the 1920's and the so-called war on drugs today parallel each other and that the solution is the same: make it legal

Consider the war on drugs: If we had fought WW II with the same efficency, we'd be speaking German and/or Japanese today.


11 posted on 02/12/2005 11:00:03 AM PST by BLASTER 14
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We should put large notices up in druggie hangouts in the USA that Canada is giving the stuff away.

The druggies will join the DU crowd making a beeline to Canada. (Obviously many druggies are DUers and vice versa.)


12 posted on 02/12/2005 11:00:11 AM PST by Veto! (Opinions freely dispensed as advice)
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1341725/posts


13 posted on 02/12/2005 11:25:36 AM PST by Shisan (Jalisco no te rajes.)
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We should put large notices up in druggie hangouts in the USA that Canada is giving the stuff away.

The druggies will join the DU crowd making a beeline to Canada. (Obviously many druggies are DUers and vice versa.)

Oh, Thanks. First you send up all your liberals, and now want to send the druggies too? (the ones that aren't DUers) Man! I hate my socialist country some days.

14 posted on 02/12/2005 11:37:51 AM PST by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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To: Enterprise

How about we put them into rehab so they can be productive members of society?


15 posted on 02/12/2005 12:21:34 PM PST by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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<< I guess I'm one of the few, but I think that this is a good idea. >>

Althoug well motivated and headed in the right direction, in that it deals with the symptom and ignores the disease, [Crime] it's an obscene "idea."

There is only one "drug crime" and that is the one called Prohibition.

Repeal that one and EVERY "drug problem" -- and above 90% of the world's crime and corruption -- and, to boot, the filthy loot that, from Singapore to Caracas -- Rangoon to Bogota -- Kuala Lumpur to Khartoum -- drives most of the worlds petty through more-bloody-awful dictatorships -- flies out the window.


16 posted on 02/12/2005 12:29:46 PM PST by Brian Allen (I fly and can therefore be envious of no man -- Per Ardua ad Astra!)
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Fine, but they are not making heroin legal here. They are just going to supply it to 156 addicts, with nurses and supplies being paid for by the taxpayer (me), at the cost of $8.1 Million dollars.

BTW, when our government says $8 million, they really mean $4 Billion. Our gun registry was supposed to cost $2 Million, and it's over $1 Billion now, AND, it still doesn't work. Aaarrrgggggg!

17 posted on 02/12/2005 12:48:08 PM PST by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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"What about the sick people that actually need health services?"

They get to wait in lines sometimes over a year, and pay for their own drugs and medical needs while doing so. The medical system could use the 8 million this prgrams is costing, drug addicts can go to hell. This only makes the streets worse, atracting more from all sround.

18 posted on 02/12/2005 12:54:43 PM PST by Nathan Zachary
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"What about the sick people that actually need health services?"

They get to wait in lines sometimes over a year, and pay for their own drugs and medical needs while doing so. The medical system could use the 8 million this prgrams is costing, drug addicts can go to hell. This only makes the streets worse, atracting more from all sround.

19 posted on 02/12/2005 12:58:21 PM PST by Nathan Zachary
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Hmmm, maybe I'm a little slow but are they transitioning these people off of drugs? If so, I'm willing to give this program a chance. If they're just giving them their fix with no end in site except for the end of the program, well then, I have a little problem with that.

Next thing you know, tweakers will want a similar program with the ACLU supporting them.

Hell, I want a similar program, I'm addicted to wine, hook me up!



20 posted on 02/12/2005 1:03:49 PM PST by Lx (Tuesday is Soylent green day!)
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