Posted on 02/11/2005 9:13:07 PM PST by SmithL
Sacrificial Lamb I believe it is called.
Put me on the USS San Francisco ping list...
I have heard that a type of sonar has been invented that uses ambient sound to visualize objects underwater, much as one can visualize objects on the surface with indirect, ambient light that comes neither from the observer nor the target. Apparently, this new type of sonar is not yet used on submarines.
You can bet they won't let us know what those "procedures" are either. The Navy has to cover its arse for not having updated or correct mapping available.
Unlike Mister, you aren't even capable of understanding why you can sleep safely at night. Bring on your claptrap, I wouldn't trade you for those sailors aboard the U. S. S. San Francisco. Shove off junior
I do not know the circumstance of his disaster, but I know what he did and has to do now. Take it in the teeth and salute.
Makes you respect what the military does for us even more huh?
One drives a nuclear submarine in the blind all of the time.
His only defense: "I'm sorry I didn't see the underwater mountain that no-one knew about."
Lighten up, Francis.
Getsmart64,
That is not a true statement?
Perhaps for peacetime flying around the world, but in a hostile environment I believe it is true, particularly (perhaps only) if they a) expect to encounter enemy aircraft or b) need to remain stealthy. I could be wrong, but I don't think so. The way I understand it, modern fighter aircraft are vectored to a threat by AWACS or ground unless they are actively engaged with known enemies. In that case, they use everything at their disposal.
Over Iraq and Afghanistan, our pilots may be free to use onboard active radar systems because they are not only not expecting any air-to-air combat, but they do not expect to be engaged from the ground by anything other than AAA or MANPAD types of missles. In these situations, there may be no reason for our aircraft to refrain from using their onboard radar systems.
I could be wrong, and if so, explain to me how it works. You may have more experience and knowledge in these things than I do.
More info -- "The official report on PT-109'S loss was co-written by the flotilla's intelligence officer, Lieutenant (j.g.) Byron R. White, a 1962 appointee to the U.S. Supreme Court by President John F. Kennedy."
Source--World War II Almanac, 1931-1945, by Robert Goralski, page 275.
What do you do, type it in word and paste in the box?
Ah, but it the one at the top rarely has to face the consequences of their failure in government or business.
I think what AII is saying is you leave yourself some margin of error between no accident and plowing into a mountain at 30 kts. Mistakes happen. Mistakes that result in someone dying and the ruination of a billion dollar boat aren't forgiven.
It's the same in the Army - at least Army Aviation anyway. If your company has a Class A incident (greater than $1,000,000 in damage or loss of life limb or eyesight) no matter the reason, the company commander is toast. Maybe not a court martial, but a sufficiently bad OER (Officer Evaluation Report) that you might as well hang it up. As a UH-60 company commander, this sometimes keeps you awake at night.
I'm not sure that there is a USS San Francisco list. Doohickey maintains a submarine list, so I pinged him, and he pinged everyone else.
Sorry about that, didn't mean to insult. Some people really don't know.
Yes, it does. Very much. They are superior human beings.
The bottom line is that if a skipper runs his boat aground, they find something he did that was wrong.
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