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Scientists find missing link between whale and its closest relative, the hippo
UC Berkeley News ^ | 24 January 2005 | Robert Sanders, Media Relations

Posted on 02/08/2005 3:50:43 AM PST by PatrickHenry

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To: shubi

many thanks!


1,201 posted on 02/09/2005 7:03:58 PM PST by King Prout (Remember John Adam!)
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To: balrog666

yes - the variable set is infinite


1,202 posted on 02/09/2005 7:05:54 PM PST by King Prout (Remember John Adam!)
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To: js1138

both dogs are german shepherds. the white beastie is not mine, she's an occasional day-guest.


1,203 posted on 02/09/2005 7:08:56 PM PST by King Prout (Remember John Adam!)
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To: King Prout
I am given to understand that the principal absolute requirement for dividing specimens into different species is the capacity to interbreed and produce fertile offspring.

Not really. That is certainly one of the considerations but isn't really the determining factor. Ring species throw this idea out the window - group A & B can interbreed, group B & C can interbreed, but group A and C can't interbreed. Which groups belong to the same species and which ones don't?

Evolution predicts that the concept of species will be murky and not concrete which is exactly what we observe.

The species concept is just a cataloging exercise that we as human use to classify life forms. Its very imperfect.

1,204 posted on 02/09/2005 7:09:48 PM PST by JeffAtlanta
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To: Tares

Did you ever address Chinese history and why their written documents on that time are somewhat lacking in describing how they were entirely wiped from the face of the earth?


1,205 posted on 02/09/2005 7:10:02 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: King Prout; shubi
[img src="fullURLofPicHere"] >>> <img src="......">

Go to the photo and right click to get the URL address. Copy and paste inbetween the " ".

1,206 posted on 02/09/2005 7:13:49 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: shubi
Do you live in the northern forested area of Ga. I loved Lake Lanier.

Not King Prout, but I live about 15 minutes from Lake Lanier in northern Atlanta suburb. Haven't seen any wolves but do see lots of possums! :-)

1,207 posted on 02/09/2005 7:14:33 PM PST by JeffAtlanta
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To: RaceBannon

last time I checked, genetic surveys of mitochondrial DNA does not support the existence of a bottleneck -let alone a singularity- as recent as a mere 4,000 years ago.

care to explain?


1,208 posted on 02/09/2005 7:14:48 PM PST by King Prout (Remember John Adam!)
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To: JeffAtlanta

ah, way up there on 400, yes?


1,209 posted on 02/09/2005 7:16:14 PM PST by King Prout (Remember John Adam!)
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To: shubi

the great skypixie waved his magic wand and hey-presto!


1,210 posted on 02/09/2005 7:17:59 PM PST by King Prout (Remember John Adam!)
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To: King Prout; shubi
for a 'Can, sure.

We call them targets.

1,211 posted on 02/09/2005 7:18:13 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: WildTurkey

you're playin' ketchup?


1,212 posted on 02/09/2005 7:22:12 PM PST by King Prout (Remember John Adam!)
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To: garybob
sheer lunacy.

That's what the ancients said about the moon's path when they could not explain it aberrant behavior. Now we know better.

1,213 posted on 02/09/2005 7:23:50 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: King Prout

Last I checked, Mitochondrial DNA studies confirmed that thee was a single woman we came from, too

Care to explain that?

Remember, as an Evolutionist, you cant use GENESIS.


1,214 posted on 02/09/2005 7:24:00 PM PST by RaceBannon ((Prov 28:1 KJV) The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion.)
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To: Tribune7
And that's a worst-case scenario, if I'm wrong and extremist on my side take over.

No. Based on past history we would end all progress in science and denigrate to a drug infested society with death the sentence to all "non-believers".

1,215 posted on 02/09/2005 7:25:47 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: King Prout

Yes. I check the replies to his question first but I didn't drive down to the replies to the replies.


1,216 posted on 02/09/2005 7:27:59 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: WildTurkey
Based on past history we would end all progress in science and denigrate to a drug infested society with death the sentence to all "non-believers".

Based on history (note that it's always in the past) the greatest advances in science and education have been in Christian countries.

1,217 posted on 02/09/2005 7:29:32 PM PST by Tribune7
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To: Tribune7
Based on history (note that it's always in the past) the greatest advances in science and education have been in Christian countries.

But NOT when the fanatical Christians were in charge; that was the condition under discussion.

BTW, Christians couldn't even come up with a decent system for counting upon which all modern advances are based.

1,218 posted on 02/09/2005 7:32:56 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: RaceBannon

Sorry: you checked wrong.

It is a great pity if you are foolish enough to consider Discovery Channel the epitome of genetic science.

a clue for you: Discovery Channel has the execrable habit of making oversimplified overstatements going far beyond what the data will support, purely in the hunt for ratings.

the remains of a woman were found in north africa.
the remains were dated by measuring carbon radioisotope levels. If I recall correctly, the age of the remains was found to be around 20,000 years (that's a bit of an if: been a while since I reviewed the data on this specimen, and my memory is not perfect... however, I am quite certain the date was significantly older than a mere 6,000 years).
the bones contained some mitochondrial DNA fragments.
Some of those fragments are found in the mitochondrial DNA in all modern humans.

now, do you realise that it is entirely possible that this so-called "Eve" had NOT ONE DESCENDANT?

think about it.

HINT1: inheritance of mitochondria is entirely matrilineal
HINT2: mitochondrial DNA mutates very slowly
HINT3: "Eve's" great-great-great-great-great-great-grandmother had the same mitochondrial DNA that "Eve" herself did.

Think about it.
I mean, really, for once on this thread, THINK.


1,219 posted on 02/09/2005 7:38:33 PM PST by King Prout (Remember John Adam!)
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To: WildTurkey
But NOT when the fanatical Christians were in charge . . .

No, young-Earth Bible believing Christians was what was being referred to. They started most of our (and the world's) great universities you know.

BTW, Christians couldn't even come up with a decent system for counting upon which all modern advances are based.

Better spell out what you are referring to here. Arabic numerals?

1,220 posted on 02/09/2005 7:38:54 PM PST by Tribune7
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