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School suspends 14 over explicit rap CD
Providence Urinal | Saturday, February 5, 2005 | SETH McLAUGHLIN

Posted on 02/07/2005 2:53:36 PM PST by got_moab?

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To: The_Reader_David

I have had to remind several educrats about just those decisions over the past few years.

As I post earlies, any combacks on them, with the exception of the kid peddling them, is illegal. Then again reminding educrats about the limitations of thier authority really annoys them.


21 posted on 02/07/2005 4:44:24 PM PST by Starwolf
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To: got_moab?

10 people get together with out the knowledge of their government masters, set 25 poems that they like to music that they like, and commit free enterprise, by trading their work on the open market.

I fail to see any crime, these people should be proud of their effort. If their poetry is not politically correct, good I am sick of politically correct.


22 posted on 02/07/2005 4:49:41 PM PST by Mark was here (My tag line was about to be censored.)
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To: Mrs Mark

opps should of said 14.


23 posted on 02/07/2005 4:56:54 PM PST by Mark was here (My tag line was about to be censored.)
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To: Skylus

"and furthermore, white kids cannot rap..."

Oh, I was assuming these were all white kids committing the mayhem, aren't the white folks always guilty?


24 posted on 02/07/2005 7:50:04 PM PST by Chu Gary (USN Intel guy 1967 - 1970)
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To: Chu Gary

LOL! Could probably be white kids (behind the scene) making up those pathetic rhymes for others "of a different race" :o)


25 posted on 02/07/2005 8:23:55 PM PST by Skylus (?.~*'`'*~.S.~*'`'*~.K.~*'`'*~.Y.~*'`'*~.L.~*'`'*~.U.~*'`'*~.S.~*'`'*~.?)
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Things such as that are totally unacceptable in this society today, even though hatred/violence against the school system is so strong!

This same sort of "rebelling" has happened in many such places...one of those happened in my very own home town. In fact, two of the four people involved happened to be friends (now ex-friends) of mine.

The two kids (two out of four from a typical teenage garage band) decided it would be "absolutely funny" if they composed a profound song about their school, such as mentioned in this thread. Only, they didn't really intend to base the entire song on what went on in the school or what they did outside of it, they focused the lyrics specifically on a teacher. One that was mostly, if not all, "hated"/"despised" by the student population of the school.

So, they went to work on the song they would call specifically their own. A more private song, due to what was said in the song: pure hatred, and wanted death to the teacher, not only that, but 4 minutes and 32 seconds of different methods and ways to brutally murder the specific teacher. (I don't know what they held against the teacher either)

The song though, was performed a total of 3 times (aside from the band practice) I heard it only once and thought it was horrible. It was never recorded on tape/CD (thank the Lord for that) and the only other people who were "priviledged" enough to hear it, were sworn not to mention ANY of it. Afterwards, the song faded away, the lyrics where destroyed, and the "so-called sick minded joke" soon dissapeared. I haven't heard anything about it since.


26 posted on 02/07/2005 8:40:03 PM PST by Skylus (?.~*'`'*~.S.~*'`'*~.K.~*'`'*~.Y.~*'`'*~.L.~*'`'*~.U.~*'`'*~.S.~*'`'*~.?)
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To: got_moab?
Free speech for students means they have the right to free speech, especially off-campus. Students cannot be punished for trash-talking other students off-campus. Talking about criminal activity in a positive light isn't a crime, either.

The CD clearly has some political themes (criticizing the city in which they live, for one thing; even discussions of criminal activity have political meaning). Is it obscene? If there are any lewd words, like the F--- word, it will be easy for the school to ban it from campus.

But the school should only be able to punish the kid(s) who brought the CD onto school grounds, and maybe the kids who took copies. It's reasonable to assume that the other students in the music group didn't intend for the CD to end up on school grounds. Kids can't be punished by the school for speech that occurs off school grounds.

In our system, state-operated schools may not be enclaves of totalitarianism. School officials do not possess absolute authority over their students. Students in school as well as out of school are "persons" under our Constitution. They are possessed of fundamental rights which the State must respect, just as they themselves must respect their obligations to the State. In our system, students may not be regarded as closed-circuit recipients of only that which the State chooses to communicate. They may not be confined to the expression of those sentiments that are officially approved. In the absence of a specific showing of constitutionally valid reasons to regulate their speech, students are entitled to freedom of expression of their views.
From Tinker v. Des Moines. Kids have (gasp!) the right to their own opinions (omigosh) and the basic right to share these opinions with each other (heavens no!) until the point where it causes serious harm to the school's ability to keep order. A dirty rap CD is not going to cause serious harm like that unless groups of students get into fights with each other over it. The school can ban it on the grounds that it has dirty words, but it can't punish kids for making it in the first place. The kids should get the ACLU to sue the school.
27 posted on 02/07/2005 8:53:18 PM PST by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: got_moab?
Is Johnstown in a State? Just curious which one.

The only Johnstown I have heard of is in Pennsylvania.

28 posted on 02/07/2005 8:53:50 PM PST by Texas Mom
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To: humblegunner; Xenalyte; Bacon Man; Hap; Flyer
Oh, now that's lame. In '99 I wrote: "We're gonna have a party and we're gonna get drunk
And if I see you pukin' I will know that you're a punk.
You can't hold your liquor and you walk like a fag
I wish you wasn't here, man.. you are a drag!

(CH) Why you wanna come around here like that?
Now why you wanna come around here like that?

Now, that's got a nice 80s ring to it.

A friend and I wrote a punk rock song in the early 80s. The lyrics are just too sick to post out here. That was the whole idea....a punk song to make fun of punk songs.

It was so gross that our band manager refused to let us perform it - even in the raunchiest punk clubs. We rehearsed it a few times for fun, though.

Ah, memories of a misspent youth!

29 posted on 02/07/2005 11:13:21 PM PST by Allegra ("They Just Love to Walk in the Middle of the Road!")
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To: humblegunner

LOL

Good prequel lyrics to the High School rapper wannabe CD...


30 posted on 02/08/2005 12:50:36 AM PST by Syncro
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