The China Threat

aim.org/ ^ | January 31, 2005 | Geoff Metcalf

[risk]

You've just been lucky. There are young people who were willing to give their lives for liberty at Tiannamen square, but still think Taiwan is the mainland's sovereign territory. What's worse is that they'd go to war with the US to assert that authority before they would overthrow their own tyrannical leaders. There is a new breed out there. They're smart as a whip and they think America should be put in its place.

[B4Ranch]

>>Freedom will prevail because the people want it that way.<<

THat is one statement I seriously doubt. I am seeing Americans bow down too damn often! It must be my bad back that doesn't let me bend and bow so easily that makes for my "bad attitude". LOL

Either that or I was weaned too early and had to learn how to be independent.

[B4Ranch]

>>Wall Street is not inherently patriotic. <<

Rockefeller saw to that.

[risk]

I've always wondered.

[Pro-Bush]

You must be joking, did you see Bush's address to the nation yesterday?

[B4Ranch]

When an international corporation has members of the Board that are six different nationalities, national patriotism isn't a major consideration.

Another stroke of genius for globalism...... weakens the national patriotism.

[risk]

Rockefeller? I think it's human nature. Americans are smart enough to look out for themselves, though. We'll always have our eyes on Wall Street. Keep in mind that the markets trade with foreigners, too. They're not all Americans. Wall Street is a multicultural circus of greed.

[B4Ranch]

If I yell "Freedom" until I'm blue in the face and I quietly support the United Nations with my dollars. Which one is making the louder statement?

Ding, ding and dis-information rings again.

[risk]

There really doesn't need to be a conspiracy. It's all out in the open. Who owns most of the national debt, and a good portion of the equity in the major exchanges? It's more than 50/50 foreign investment now. Along similar lines, do you think Hollywood and Madison Avenue want to destroy America? Absolutely not. They know that stirring up the anti-American frevor sells both here and at home. We buy to see why. Foreigners buy to gloat. No conspiracies involved. It's just plain greed. And we Americans sit and wonder why. It's really no mystery.

[Pro-Bush]

Oh, stop it, you are out of line, and you know it!

[B4Ranch]

Trying to find publically held companies that are 100% American is actually becoming a real task. I make my living off the market and I've had to make some serious sell offs because of international shiftings in American busines, but that is a whole 'nother subject.

[risk]

The serious question is: what is disingenuous about Bush's attitude? He believes he is right. Tony Blair believes it. Berlesconi believes. So does Koizumi. One world of capitalism, national borders blurred, interlocking business relationships, and freedom of travel and communication. These were long said to be the keys to preventing war.

We're getting what we've always wanted. There's no conspiracy here. We all say it, we all think it, we all want it.

Or did. I think the lessons of the UN are critical. You can't bring peace to the world and then give it all away. Not three times in a row.

We need to learn: free countries have to defend themselves and other free countries first. Nothing should ever be given to the tyrants without exacting a price in increased security or freedoms for their own peoples and neighbors.

I don't think we've learned this as a western civilization yet. It's not just our good-hearted President who doesn't get it.

[Pro-Bush]

In the Sand

[B4Ranch]

Please show me where I am out of line.

Bush OKs $606 Million to Fund UN Standing Army

World Summit on Sustainable Development Press Kit

Agenda 21

Surge Of Socialism Under George Bush"

I can fill a dozen pages with articles about how he is pushing the UN Charter ideas.

[B4Ranch]

>>what is disingenuous about Bush's attitude?<<

He isn't following a simple statement that he has said twice now, the Presidential Oath of Office.

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States."

He refused to discuss the illegal immigrant problem until he was nailed to the wall about it. Look at the polls on FR, they are higher than the CNN polls when it comes to what we want ....... closed borders.

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Free Republic Opinion Poll: What is your opinion regarding immigration:

Composite Opinion
Illegal immigration is the problem.	33.8%		1,011
Seal and militarize borders.	33.0%		988
Borders should be closed.	15.7%		469
Immigration should be reduced.	10.1%		301
Borders should be open.	4.0%		121
Immigration is not a big issue.	3.4%		102
	100.0%		2,992
Member Opinion
Illegal immigration is the problem.	33.8%		997
Seal and militarize borders.	32.9%		972
Borders should be closed.	15.7%		463
Immigration should be reduced.	10.1%		298
Borders should be open.	4.0%		119
Immigration is not a big issue.	3.4%		101
	99.9%		2,950
Non-Member Opinion
Seal and militarize borders.	38.1%		16
Illegal immigration is the problem.	33.3%		14
Borders should be closed.	14.3%		6
Immigration should be reduced.	7.1%		3
Borders should be open.	4.8%		2
Immigration is not a big issue.	2.4%		1
	100.0%		42

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If this is having my head in the sand why ain't I spitting out grains of sand?

[risk]

He believes he is right. It helps to prove that he's a truly multilateral guy when he lacks consensus even in his own country. He understands that the biggest threat America faces today is the negative shift in global opinion. A token $1 billion to the UN and a few tsunami outreaches gives him street cred. It buys a few positive opinions.

The question should be: is it worth what we're paying?

Ask the grandmother of a family killed by a bus bomber at an Israeli settlement. Ask the Japanese who live in fear of a nuclear North Korea. Ask the Polish, who know they can't trust the UN.

Another generation is growing up that thinks gun control is normal. We cry "genocide" about Darfur, and yet the UN is about to further disarm the peasants who are being massacred.

All the while, Kofi's son has been dipping into the oil for food program and who knows what else.

Isn't it time for an Americanized UN? No more communist and Arabist spies. No more French monopolizing and the China abstentions. Let's have an Anglosphere and partners coalition. Move the UN to Paris where it belongs -- and then ignore it.

[B4Ranch]

If our national borders weren't blurred, I don't think we would have this massive illegal immigration problem.

We have allowed a nationality into the US that believes they own the rights to four States. If this is protecting the Constitution, then my teachers must've been drunk, every single one of them.

[B4Ranch]

Move the UN to Paris where it belongs -- quit financing it! -- retract every single treaty signed under it! -- and then ignore it.

[risk]

He isn't following a simple statement that he has said twice now, the Presidential Oath of Office.

I disagree. All presidents choose how to do this. They feel they have a mandate. They may be wrong in our opinion, but they can follow where their instincts lead them with a wide constitutional berth.

We have to make our opinions understood. Right now, it's still at the fringes. People are just now beginning to realize that they're losing what their grandparents paid dearly for.

[B4Ranch]

>>A token $1 billion to the UN and a few tsunami outreaches gives him street cred. It buys a few positive opinions.<<

Actually, it was only $350 million but where is the law that says Congress is allowed to give our tax dollars away as charity?

That's a Red Cross function. Civilian organization collecting voluntary contributions from the citizens.

Remember Hurricane Andrew 16 - 28 August, 1992, what foreign nation contributed national funds to us?