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Parolee, 19, Is Held in Death Of Actress During Robbery
New York Times ^ | February 1, 2005 | MICHAEL WILSON and JANON FISHER

Posted on 01/31/2005 8:08:42 PM PST by 68skylark

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To: Howlin

That's the NYT style, which in the past has included, Mr. Hitler and Mr. Loaf (as in Meat Loaf).


21 posted on 01/31/2005 8:26:45 PM PST by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: 68skylark
How very sad. Maybe if concealed carry laws were in effect in New York, thugs & burglars would think twice about their actions.
22 posted on 01/31/2005 8:26:56 PM PST by Apercu ("Rep ipsa loquitor")
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To: durasell

Oh I understand why a few pictures make sense. You make good points. I was talking about pictures that appear long after the investigation is over. We had some people on trial for a horrible crime near South Bend, IN, and it seemed like the local paper put up a picture of the perps every day for weeks or months throughout the trial. It was the dead victims who deserve to be seen and remembered -- not the killer.


23 posted on 01/31/2005 8:28:37 PM PST by 68skylark
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To: durasell

LOL....it is not, is it? LOL @ Mr. Loaf!


24 posted on 01/31/2005 8:30:13 PM PST by Howlin (It's a great day to be an American -- and a Bush Republican!!!!)
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To: 68skylark
Two other friends of Mr. Fleming's, brothers ages 17 and 21, were questioned in the killing but not charged after telling detectives they were shocked when Mr. Fleming pulled the trigger

Even if that is so...which I doubt...why aren't they charged with the attempted robbery which resulted in a death?

25 posted on 01/31/2005 8:30:50 PM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: 68skylark
I do not understand why the guy's 2 sons were not charged with anything? They were present at both crimes. It seems to me that they were accomplices. Can somebody please explain this to me?
26 posted on 01/31/2005 8:30:59 PM PST by rawhide
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To: durasell

Capital murder for the shooter, felony murder for the rest of this dirtbag crew. In almost all of Georgia (i.e., other than DA Paul Howard's island of irrationality - Fulton County) - we would know what to do with them.


27 posted on 01/31/2005 8:31:05 PM PST by Wally_Kalbacken
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To: 68skylark

He got into a shooting position and aimed at four safety officers, before four police officers, their weapons drawn, ordered him to drop the gun, Mr. Smith said. He did."


Too bad for Ms. duFresne that the cops didn't shoot him dead.


28 posted on 01/31/2005 8:31:37 PM PST by philetus (What goes around comes around)
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To: Veto!
Great point. Yeah, I would never advise someone to resist an armed robber. I'd never advice anyone to comply with a robber -- every situation is very different, and every person is very different. Individuals have to make those choices for themselves. (I do agree with the freeper who advised a potential victim to never go to another place with the perp -- that sounds like one piece of advice that's about 100% good.)

I'm glad your mom was okay -- it sounds like she handled that situation just right.

29 posted on 01/31/2005 8:32:38 PM PST by 68skylark
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To: 68skylark

In the old days, cops would walk the perps to the car and the press photographers with Speed Graphic cameras would be lined up yelling obscenities and racial slurs at them in attempts to get the perps to look mean or crazed.

For the most part, victims' families don't want pictures of their loved ones plastered over the papers day after day.


30 posted on 01/31/2005 8:32:53 PM PST by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: durasell; Howlin
That's the NYT style, which in the past has included, Mr. Hitler and Mr. Loaf (as in Meat Loaf).

LOL that answer is tough to beat.

31 posted on 01/31/2005 8:33:11 PM PST by StarFan
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To: Apercu

Yeah, anything that causes some FUD in the criminal culture is a good idea. Concealed carry is a perfect example.


32 posted on 01/31/2005 8:34:16 PM PST by 68skylark
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To: Luddite Patent Counsel

Isn't "aspiring actress" another word for waitress?


33 posted on 01/31/2005 8:34:26 PM PST by Moonman62 (Republican - The political party for the living.)
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To: Luddite Patent Counsel

Good comparison---you remember that Jack Henry Abbott's victim was an aspiring actor, Richard Adan, working as a waiter at a restaurant that I think was also on the Lower East Side. Adan's father-in-law (or soon to be father in law) wrote a GREAT letter to New Yorker magazine, bemoaning the misguidedness of people like Norman Mailer, who was entirely responsible for getting Abbott out, and largely responsible for not chaperoning him actively until he was convinced Abbott was no harm to society. In an unforgettable phrase , Adan's father in law lambasted people like Mailer and their "hollow liberal zeal" that would foist someone like Abbott on society once again, with the hope that we could take a chance on him, because "culture is worth a little risk".


34 posted on 01/31/2005 8:34:54 PM PST by willyboyishere
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To: durasell

Hey take it easy on Meat Loaf he's good people. Great singer and actor.


35 posted on 01/31/2005 8:36:03 PM PST by beaver fever
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To: durasell
For the most part, victims' families don't want pictures of their loved ones plastered over the papers day after day.

That's an excellent point. Absolutely -- it makes a lot of sense to honor the wishes of the family members.

You've got a lot of good knowledge about this topic -- you must have some newspaper experience.

36 posted on 01/31/2005 8:37:05 PM PST by 68skylark
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To: durasell

Just wait until the Post story comes out! LOL


37 posted on 01/31/2005 8:38:14 PM PST by nopardons
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To: 68skylark

No, I'm just nosey about the jobs people have. I once had a friend who had the unenviable job of going to the victim's home and retrieving pictures from the grieving. How'd you like to have a job where you dug through family scrap books to find just the right shot of a dead 10 year old with the kid's mother?


38 posted on 01/31/2005 8:40:45 PM PST by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: budwiesest
Wanted to add: when a gun is pointed at you (the first time) and money is demanded, your first reaction might be (as mine was) "this isn't happening, is it?" I recall making a slight grin (the guy had a nylon on his head and his face was grossly distorted) and not realizing the seriousness until he grabbed my arm, led me to the registers and threw me on the ground.

Fortunately, these guys were only interested in cash, cigarettes, and wine. Unlike the punk in this article. He was out to kill, not rob someone that night. (pistol whipping a big clue) Fry his *ss.

39 posted on 01/31/2005 8:40:47 PM PST by budwiesest (Liberalism is a natural disaster. Devastating to those occupying the low ground.)
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To: 68skylark
Ms. duFresne's friends described her as a tough, fiery survivor of a rape in a bar's parking lot while at Emerson College in Boston.

You would think she would have had enough of bars.

40 posted on 01/31/2005 8:42:01 PM PST by Trailerpark Badass
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