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High Caliber Advocacy : How the NRA won the fight over gun rights
NAtional Review ^ | 2-14-05 | John J Miller

Posted on 01/31/2005 3:59:45 PM PST by Dan from Michigan

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To: bad company
"Could you add me and mine to your list please?"

Done!

61 posted on 02/01/2005 4:31:04 AM PST by Joe Brower (The Constitution defines Conservatism.)
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To: infidel44

By voting for him, he helps the dems in Congress. He's one of the reasons the Republicans can't stop filibusters.
Look at it this way. Our RINOs in liberal states help us keep a majority in the Senate and Congress.


62 posted on 02/01/2005 5:09:09 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (Vote a Straight Republican Ballot. Rid the country of dems.)
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To: Rocky Mountain High

You said about the Demoncrats: "But these clowns still believe that gun ownership is all about hunting game."

What I was saying is that many (if not most) gunowners (based on my experience) believe the same thing. If Demoncrats say those words, many (if not most) gunowners will support them. Even in the last election, I read comments from gunowners (some who held elective office in state gun clubs) saying that Kerry wouldn't take your hunting gun so vote for him. With "friends" like them, who needs enemies. I believe most gunowners do NOT believe that the 2nd Amendment means what we say it means here.


63 posted on 02/01/2005 5:10:06 AM PST by jim_trent
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To: El Gato

LOL, mine weighs about as much as 4 or 5 of yours. But it doesn't hurt at all to shoot, those 42oz of steel soak up most of the recoil.

FWIW, I keep a 13oz Taurus 85 ultralight in my pocket at all times, as either a primary or backup.


64 posted on 02/01/2005 7:03:58 AM PST by TC Rider (The United States Constitution © 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: Sparticus
Where did you get those stocks? I'd love to have some like that for my Smith.

They're Jerry Miculek stocks, made by Bang, Inc. Also available from Brownells. I love them. Bought them originally for IDPA competition, but love em for Carry also, easy to get a good grip and they don't pull your cover garment.

By the way, for folks who don't know, the term "Saturday Night Special" is as racist a term as there ever was. It's a shortened version of the phrase "(N-word) Town Saturday Night Special." It refers to a black prostitute. The phrase "Saturday Night Special" in reference to handguns was a calculated attempt to scare white folks by conjuring up visions of mobs of blacks armed with cheap handguns.

You are so right. The roots of most gun control are racist. Virtually every state and federal law on gun control from the 30s was racist in nature. The one you cite ended up being the gun control act of '68 I believe.

65 posted on 02/01/2005 7:10:24 AM PST by TC Rider (The United States Constitution © 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: GunsareOK
Just remember that to Bwarney, every handgun with a barrel lenghth of less than six inches, no matter how high its quality, is a Saturday night special.

That's odd. I would think a "Saturday Night Special" to Bawney Fwank would be anything with a bull barrel and a length over six inches!

66 posted on 02/01/2005 7:37:12 AM PST by Gritty ("It was so much fun this year, because saying ‘Merry Christmas’ is like saying ‘F*ck you'-A Coulter)
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To: Dan from Michigan

You know...somehow you'd like to think ANY politician conducting themselves in violation of a Constitutional Ammendment would be easy pickens to shoot down....


67 posted on 02/01/2005 7:42:36 AM PST by mo
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To: Rocky Mountain High; Clemenza
The 2nd Amendment is NOT about shooting deer. It's about protecting your family from violent thugs.

I'll paraphrase what Clemenza said: The 2nd Amendment is about protecting the right to keep and bear arms (RKBA) from governmental interference. The purpose of the RKBA is to deter or, if necessary, to defeat a domestic tyranny. If you don't believe that, then read Federalist Papers #46, written by James Madison (you know, the guy who wrote most of the Constitution).

Fighting common street thugs, hunting and the shooting sports are just by-products of the RKBA.

68 posted on 02/01/2005 8:15:55 AM PST by Ancesthntr
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To: GunsareOK; Dan from Michigan

"...If I could re-invent the world, Saturday night specials wouldn’t exist,” said congressman Barney Frank of Massachusetts..."

Let's not forget what a "Saturday Night Special" really is: the original term was "niggertown Saturday Night Special." * Check out the racist roots of gun control at http://www.sightm1911.com/docs/whitelaw.htm Gun control in the mid- to late-1800's was aimed at the Negro population, and laws like the 1911 Sullivan Law in NY were aimed at "swarthy" Eastern and Southern European immigrants. None of the laws were intended to operate against "regular white people" (as Archie Bunker would call them), but they have all been used by the would-be tyrants in our society to attempt to disarm the entire civilian populace.

It is critical to understand the origins and terminology of gun control - because unmasking it will destroy the movement. The only problem with unmasking it is the the Lamestream Media won't ever participate in the process - except maybe to try to distort the real history and the real motivations of those who began the process of regulating and banning firearms and the possession of firearms.

*I mean no offense to anyone by this term - it is an historical fact that this term was used to speak of cheap handguns, with the inference that only Negroes/Blacks/African-Americans would have such guns.


69 posted on 02/01/2005 8:30:40 AM PST by Ancesthntr
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To: Dan from Michigan
How the NRA won the fight over gun rights

Uh, we didn't win yet - we only stopped a further erosion of our gun rights, and succeeded in a minor reversal of gun control by preventing the re-enactment of a single, rather narrow, ban on certain guns and magazines. That's hardly my idea of victory. My idea of victory over gun control is where Wayne LaPierre would dress in a white toga, wear a laurel wreath and drive down a Pennsylvania Avenue covered in rose petals in a horse-drawn, slave driven, chariot to present the head of Sarah Brady to President Bush.

No, the fight for gun rights will be won when any adult resident of this country can walk into the local hardware or department store and buy a full auto gun for $500-$1,000, without any registration tax stamp, backround check or permission slip from the local PD - just like our grandfathers were able to do prior to the 1934. I want to do that in my lifetime, and to have the only question from the clerk be, "Sir, will that be cash or charge?"

70 posted on 02/01/2005 8:40:29 AM PST by Ancesthntr
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To: jim_trent

Ok, now I see what you mean.

Interestingly, my experience, with some exceptions, is exactly the opposite. All of my close personal friends are gun owners and only a few are also hunters.

But, I do know hunters with the mentality you're describing. What these guys don't seem to realize is that if my AR-15 becomes an "assault rifle" today, their scoped .270 can become a "sniper rifle tomorrow".


71 posted on 02/01/2005 9:36:34 AM PST by Rocky Mountain High
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To: Ancesthntr

well, the gun control mob now is no longer the "regular white folks" that wanted to take guns away from the freedmen. They are now "high-class" elitist snobs that put us regular white folk in the same class that we put the freedmen in during the last century. As far as they are concerned, we are all the scum of the earth.

I love my .38 special hammerless snub-nose. Saturday Night Special, indeed.


72 posted on 02/01/2005 10:04:52 AM PST by SASsySIGster (Valentine's gifts should sparkle or go BANG! really loud.)
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To: Joe Brower

Joe, please put me on your hit list...


73 posted on 02/01/2005 10:33:04 AM PST by Gilbo_3 (Patience is a virtue, but it aint one of mine !!!)
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To: fire_eye; All
You can drive Satan back to hell with his tail between his legs, but you can never kill him. He'll just sit there and brood and plot and plan until he gets another chance

Well said and worth repeating, often...

74 posted on 02/01/2005 10:41:18 AM PST by Gilbo_3 (Patience is a virtue, but it aint one of mine !!!)
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To: Gilbo_3
"Joe, please put me on your hit list..."

Done!

75 posted on 02/01/2005 10:48:26 AM PST by Joe Brower (The Constitution defines Conservatism.)
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To: Emmett McCarthy
"Saturday Night Specials" weren't a bad thing. First, their low cost allowed decent hardworking poor people access to firearms for personal protection. The elite didn't like that so they used their political clout to put an end to their production and sale.

To understand the elite's position toward guns, you have to understand three things:

  1. Street crime does not affect the elite. They travel everywhere with armed bodyguards in armored limos. They are not afraid of street crime, since they are not targeted by it
  2. They, most particularly the recognizable celebrities, are deathly afraid of common citizens with guns. Notice how the gun control movement really took off after John Lennon was assassinated by Mark Chapman in 1980? The elites had it driven home that it doesn't matter how many bodyguards you have, a nut (with no prior record to deny him being able to legally buy a gun) can come up to any celeb on the street and blow him away.
  3. The elite do not care about you and me We do not run in their social circles. They have no connection to us. Our deaths (to crime and rioters) is not important

76 posted on 02/01/2005 12:33:11 PM PST by SauronOfMordor (We are going to fight until hell freezes over and then we are going to fight on the ice)
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To: blackie
No Guns ~ No Rights!

No guns also equals no property

You only own what you can effectively defend. Most people allow the government to defend their lives and property for them. In the absense of a personal self-defense ability, this means that you own what the government decides you should

77 posted on 02/01/2005 4:58:07 PM PST by SauronOfMordor (We are going to fight until hell freezes over and then we are going to fight on the ice)
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To: SauronOfMordor
Molon Labe!
78 posted on 02/02/2005 7:38:04 AM PST by blackie
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To: Conservative Lion
Please read the whole article when you get a chance and then see the picture in post #19. Although it doesn't present the philosophical argument against firearm criminalization, it does the best job I've seen lately of presenting the realpolitik of the issue. Frankly, this may be all the people you are discussing this with are interested in anyway.
79 posted on 02/05/2005 7:40:19 AM PST by Ronaldus Magnus
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