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National Retail Sales Tax - You gotta be kidding!
GOPNATION.COM ^ | January 31, 2005 | Steve Pudlo

Posted on 01/31/2005 7:12:16 AM PST by bmweezer

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To: BikerNYC

If it means I won't get taxed twice on that money, hell yes.

Now I understand your viewpoint. Personally I prefer to keep government at arms length, for the issue by my sights is a moral one not one of economics, so I forgo the audits myself.

However putting that aside for the moment, that tax will paid twice now, under the current tax system and any other tax system that involves business remitting taxes to government such as Flat Tax, VATs, tariffs, luxury and use taxes, ...

That is a problem that has been set up by the income tax not one inherent to a retail sales tax.

DO YOU PAY YOUR INCOME TAX
AT THE SUPERMARKET?

by D. Sherman Cox J.D. L.L.M. Taxation


541 posted on 01/31/2005 11:46:58 AM PST by ancient_geezer (Don't reform it, Replace it!!)
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham

Do not dub me shapka broham, is a lot to remember.


542 posted on 01/31/2005 11:47:21 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (If only I used my evil genius for good !)
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To: bmweezer

mark to me for later reading


543 posted on 01/31/2005 11:47:48 AM PST by PjhCPA (Armed with what?.....SPITBALLS!!!)
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To: bmweezer

Would jimmy hatches be taxable?


544 posted on 01/31/2005 11:48:13 AM PST by JesseHousman (Execute Mumia Abu-Jamal Today)
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To: Conspiracy Guy

I saw that.........later gator!!!!!


545 posted on 01/31/2005 11:48:58 AM PST by Gabz (Anti-smoker gnatzies...small minds buzzing in your business..............SWAT'EM)
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To: bmweezer
"Steve Pudlo works in in Information Technology for a small college in Connecticut. He also teaches computer courses at various colleges in the area. His web site is "steven-e-pudlo.com". He is interested in history, motorcycles, politics and other subjects. He lives in Eastern Connecticut with his daughter, and his four cats."

That says it all. He is from New England and has 4 Cats.

Steve may be great with computers, but is a pathetic idiot when it comes to economics. It is quite obvious he has not read the fair tax or understands Supply Side Economics. This guy is a moron, and he calls himself a Conservative. LOL! I guess he "feels", that we can tax ourselves into prosperity. Why the GOP even has this on a web page is beyond me????
546 posted on 01/31/2005 11:51:20 AM PST by Sprite518
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To: bmweezer
"First of all, I would propose to classify all monies coming into an individual as income. Investments, capital gains, interest, wages, compensation - anything coming IN will be classified as income. All incoming monies are income, all income is treated the same"

what a lot of working type people don't understand is that the millionaire set that live on their inherited investments do not pay social security taxes on that income and they actually pay little on their investment income, as in capital gains....at the very least, its a smaller percentage than what the money as a wage would require....

when people say that the "rich" pay most of the taxes in this country, the idea that most of the rich have their "incomes" protected is left out of the conversation....

547 posted on 01/31/2005 11:51:34 AM PST by cherry
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To: Phantom Lord

My money that I work for is my property. BTW, the American Revolution was fought over a sales tax of sort.


548 posted on 01/31/2005 11:51:55 AM PST by Final Authority
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To: Le Seigneur De Porc

John Galt, is that you?


549 posted on 01/31/2005 11:52:15 AM PST by Darksheare (Trolls beware, the icy hands of the forum wraith are behind you!)
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To: BikerNYC

Keep in mind the problem causing this is that your savings are being taxed. The FairTax ends that. Once it's emplemented, you no longer will be taxed on savings.

CG's points are also valid. There should be very little difference in the value of that cash under the FairTax verses under the current system. Especially in the long run. It is even possible it would end up being more valuable under the FairTax than the existing system.

If you have heirs, there are further advantages to the FairTax as it eliminates inheritance and death taxes.


550 posted on 01/31/2005 11:52:31 AM PST by OHelix
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To: Conspiracy Guy

A dang good living too!


551 posted on 01/31/2005 11:53:04 AM PST by Laura Earl (No man is an island, but some are peninsulas.)
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To: kevkrom

The math is 17.6% / .84 = 20.95%, call it 21%. That leaves the difference of 2% (a roughly 10% overage) to cover evasion, et. al.

Not to mention that current evasion and the underground cash economy is not accounted for in GDP, that makes for a 10% buffer over current tax revenues with current levels of evasion.

552 posted on 01/31/2005 11:53:13 AM PST by ancient_geezer (Don't reform it, Replace it!!)
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To: kevkrom
The math is 17.6% / .84 = 20.95%, call it 21%. That leaves the difference of 2% (a roughly 10% overage) to cover evasion, et. al.
You forgot the FCA.

And they don't address Gale main point, that if you tax government purchases and wages, you need more revenue to pay for these extra costs. Basically, the AFT has the government giving itself money and calling it revenue but not a debt.
553 posted on 01/31/2005 11:53:43 AM PST by Your Nightmare
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To: Le Seigneur De Porc

You've been here before, haven't you?
You and I have met before..


554 posted on 01/31/2005 11:53:52 AM PST by Darksheare (Trolls beware, the icy hands of the forum wraith are behind you!)
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To: Paul C. Jesup
"NRST is voluntary in that you can choose not to spend your money and choose to save it instead"

well, no.....you have to have shoes and clothes and school supplies for your kids,period.....

I don't know whether the NRST is a good idea or not, but please don't say that items needed for your children or for daily living are an OPTION and not NEED......

555 posted on 01/31/2005 11:54:02 AM PST by cherry
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To: BikerNYC
This plan hurts the most those people who have saved a lot of money with after-tax dollars.
I'm new to this idea, but I don't think it would hurt tax-deferred accounts such as a 401(k)s or Conventional IRAs -- in fact, as I understand it, it would be a boon to holders of such accounts -- but it would hurt non-tax-deferred savings.
556 posted on 01/31/2005 11:54:59 AM PST by eastsider
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To: cherry

Cherry, read futher down this thread, these issues are covered.


557 posted on 01/31/2005 11:57:11 AM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: FreedomCalls
How then will you get your monthly Family Consumption Allowance rebate?

That's part of the Fair Tax and I'm not so sure I like it, although I understand it. I was talking about the generic retail sales tax.

I suppose I could decide that my privacy was more important than the rebate?

Shalom.

558 posted on 01/31/2005 11:57:18 AM PST by ArGee (After 517, the abolition of man is complete)
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To: Conspiracy Guy; Laura Earl
You are one of three Ecuadorean FReepers, CG.

:)

-good times, G.J.P.(Jr.)

559 posted on 01/31/2005 11:58:41 AM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham (Beware the wrath of the Bolivarian Bucket-head Brigades.)
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To: RobRoy
Tha law of unintended consequences always rules, so you could be correct. On the other hand, an offsetting investment binge on the part of the wealthy who no longer have to waste time and energy hiding their incomes could inhibit the effect that concerns you.

Additionally, think of what would happen when the current workforce that is totally devoted to sheltering income (I've heard as much as 33% although I don't know how accurate that is) start doing productive work instead.

It could revolutionize every economic model we have.

Shalom.

560 posted on 01/31/2005 12:00:14 PM PST by ArGee (After 517, the abolition of man is complete)
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