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National Retail Sales Tax - You gotta be kidding!
GOPNATION.COM ^ | January 31, 2005 | Steve Pudlo

Posted on 01/31/2005 7:12:16 AM PST by bmweezer

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To: FreedomCalls
You want California, New York, and Illinois to withhold the fair tax they have collected until Bush withdraws from Iraq because they disagree with his policies?

Yes, it would be the perfect excuse to jail all those socialist politicans in those states. Also, considering Calf and New York are leading the way in becoming third world class states, I think the governments in those states may need a reckoning of that sort.

401 posted on 01/31/2005 10:17:26 AM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: smith288
If you think that the case doesnt happen where people think their tax return is "free" money then perhaps you should watch more Simpsons to learn a thing or two. Just my opinion.

People are NOT that stupid. The Simpsons' behavior is not the way most people (or any people really) behave. Most people know the tax refund is their own money -- they just think of it as forced savings. I know no one who thinks of it as a "free gift" from the feds.

402 posted on 01/31/2005 10:17:58 AM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Badray

Mostly because Republicans know that if they try, Grover Norquist and/or Club for Growth will be racing to see who can knock `em down first and thus claim credit. :)


403 posted on 01/31/2005 10:18:07 AM PST by hchutch (A pro-artificial turf, pro-designated hitter baseball fan.)
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To: RobRoy; Gabz

But she would.


404 posted on 01/31/2005 10:18:14 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (If only I used my evil genius for good !)
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To: RockinRight

...and I guess I should have continued reading because it looks like that angle has been addressed! I'm so damn impatient.


405 posted on 01/31/2005 10:18:31 AM PST by grellis (#47,569 11-29-00. See? I made it easy for ya!)
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To: OHelix
No, your savings would not be exempt when you spend it. So you'll likely want to spend it before the FairTax takes effect.

That's ridiculous. I don't want to spend it now, I want to spend it upon retirement. Without exempting savings on which I have already paid income taxes, the NRST should go nowhere.
406 posted on 01/31/2005 10:18:45 AM PST by BikerNYC
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To: Paperdoll
Oh, dear, we haven't read and thoroughly digested the thread, so we begin the name calling. The best defense is an offense, right? Give me a break! At least give a valid reason to refute the message other than a nah nah nah nah nah nah."

I got as far as about the 5th paragraph and found about 6 errors in fact and logic and couldn't read further.

I won't call the author an idiot though. To be as wrong as he is, he has to be a deliberate liar. No idiot could be that wrong so consistently.

407 posted on 01/31/2005 10:18:59 AM PST by Badray (This tag line under construction.)
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To: Phantom Lord
So the elimination of the cost to comply with the tax code, the match on SS and Medicare, and other tax expenses that would be eliminated by the NRST would have zero effect on the cost of operating a business and the cost of production?
Not zero, but closer to zero than 20%. The cost of complying is estimated at ~$100 billion and the payroll tax is ~6.2% of employee wages (and most economists believe the employee actually pays for that through lower wages, not consumers through higher prices). You are a long way from being able to drop prices enough where we wouldn't notice the FairTax.
408 posted on 01/31/2005 10:19:48 AM PST by Your Nightmare
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To: robertpaulsen
Pausen style math:

Under the NRST for example, a $100 retail item consists of a $77 product plus a $23 tax

No. A $77 item would have a 23% tax of $17.81.
The total would be $94.81.

A $100 'retail item' would cost $123.

Now, let's say the government raises the NRST from 23% to 26% -- a whopping 13% tax increase! Your retail price goes from $100 to $103 to accomodate the tax.

Bull. -- A $100 'retail item' would then cost $126.00, tax included.

To the consumer, therefore, that 13% tax increase looks only like a 3% increase. Hey, not so bad, huh?

That 3% increase looks like a $3.00 increase [per hundred] to most rational people paulsen..
Why are you different?

409 posted on 01/31/2005 10:20:04 AM PST by jonestown ( A fanatic is a person who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." ~ Winston Churchill)
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To: FreedomCalls; smith288
If you think that the case doesnt happen where people think their tax return is "free" money then perhaps you should watch more Simpsons to learn a thing or two. Just my opinion.

People are NOT that stupid. The Simpsons' behavior is not the way most people (or any people really) behave. Most people know the tax refund is their own money -- they just think of it as forced savings. I know no one who thinks of it as a "free gift" from the feds.

Quick and easy experiment to try that will show you how "stupid" people are.

In about a month start asking people if they have done their taxes yet. If they say yes, ask how much they had to pay in taxes. Almost all of them will say, "I got money!"

410 posted on 01/31/2005 10:20:24 AM PST by Phantom Lord (Advantages are taken, not handed out)
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To: Badray

Thank you for the further comments, Badray...they are appreciated.

I've had a marvelous education on this thread and I'm starting to love the concept more and more, whereas I think I was leaning more towards the concept of a flat tax, ala the Steve Forbes concept.

Since I tend to buy used items, grow a lot of my own food, and even do a bit of sewing and other needlework, I can see this as being a big boost in our disposable income, thus permitting us to spend more, thus contributing to the economy probably even more than we currently do.

And the elimination of the IRS is the icing on the cake!!!!


411 posted on 01/31/2005 10:20:55 AM PST by Gabz (Anti-smoker gnatzies...small minds buzzing in your business..............SWAT'EM)
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To: bmweezer

Maybe this guy should chat with Neal Boortz.


412 posted on 01/31/2005 10:21:05 AM PST by Junior (FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC)
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To: FreedomCalls

Woe is me. Wringing my hands now!


413 posted on 01/31/2005 10:21:10 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (If only I used my evil genius for good !)
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To: kevkrom
Even if this is correct (whcih I highly doubt, given your tendencies to mis-represent
Care to give an example?


my score still runs 5 independent economists/think-tanks at 23% (+/- 1%) and two that disagree.
Care to give me a link to the other's papers? Right, you can't because the AFT is holding them and refuses to publish them. Hmmm.....
414 posted on 01/31/2005 10:22:07 AM PST by Your Nightmare
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To: bmweezer
Support toothpaste isn't taxable.


415 posted on 01/31/2005 10:22:54 AM PST by TChris (Most people's capability for inference is severely overestimated)
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To: BikerNYC
That's ridiculous. I don't want to spend it now, I want to spend it upon retirement. Without exempting savings on which I have already paid income taxes, the NRST should go nowhere.

Serious question.

Say somehow there was an exemption on savings prior to the NRST. When you go to the store to buy $10 worth of something and you give the cashier two 5's, how will you prove they were either both from pre NRST savings, or that 1 of them was and thus only half the transaction is subject to taxation?

Also, with the NRST you will no longer pay tax on savings, investments, retirement accounts, etc...

416 posted on 01/31/2005 10:23:03 AM PST by Phantom Lord (Advantages are taken, not handed out)
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To: Your Nightmare
the payroll tax is ~6.2% of employee wages (and most economists believe the employee actually pays for that through lower wages, not consumers through higher prices)

Works out the same, basically, either way. Either prices lower or wages increase -- the purchasing power for the same unit of work is roughly the same either way. Use whichever method you prefer, but be consistent, and the net result will be close enough regardless of the method.

417 posted on 01/31/2005 10:23:18 AM PST by kevkrom (If people are free to do as they wish, they are almost certain not to do as Utopian planners wish)
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To: Phantom Lord
Ya, nobody ever purchases stuff at garage sales, antique stores, 2nd hand and consignment shops, or buys stuff on eBay. Who would ever buy used goods? And those that do clearly are living like North Koreans.

The used goods economy is not what makes America the world's economic powerhouse. We are the world's sole superpower because of the way the economy is currently structured, and it is a consumer economy. You mess with it at your peril. If you want to make America into a used goods economy then you need to look to other countries where that is the case and see how they live. The world's foremost example of such an economy is Cuba. They have been repairing old machinery, mending old clothes, and growing their own food since the U.S. economic sanctions were implemented. I don't want to live in a an economy that imitates the Cuban one.

418 posted on 01/31/2005 10:24:03 AM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Your Nightmare

No where have I said that the out the door price would drop. I have said the retail price would drop. It would.


419 posted on 01/31/2005 10:24:17 AM PST by Phantom Lord (Advantages are taken, not handed out)
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To: FreedomCalls
People are NOT that stupid.

Oh how you underestimate people. Yes. People ARE that stupid.

420 posted on 01/31/2005 10:24:40 AM PST by smith288 ("Bravery is not a reaction to fear but the act of ignoring it from honor.")
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