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National Retail Sales Tax - You gotta be kidding!
GOPNATION.COM ^ | January 31, 2005 | Steve Pudlo

Posted on 01/31/2005 7:12:16 AM PST by bmweezer

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To: FreedomCalls
That contradicts what has been promoted earlier in this thread. I thought it was "voluntary" as long as you bought untaxed necessities and kept your spending below the FCA (Family Consumption Allowance) limit.

Ah... but here's the catch. Illegals aren't eligible for the FCA, since they aren't legal residents. Their effective rate is equal to the marginal rate because they get no FCA. Meanwhile, a legal resident who doesn't spend all that much has a near-zero effective federal tax rate.

I think that's a good thing. Don't you?

241 posted on 01/31/2005 8:51:19 AM PST by kevkrom (If people are free to do as they wish, they are almost certain not to do as Utopian planners wish)
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To: bmweezer

I like the idea that if the guy that is making say '12,000' a year and has a family to feed goes out in his escalade and buys a flatscreen tv for 5 grand. He still has to pay the fed tax on it.


242 posted on 01/31/2005 8:51:23 AM PST by CJ Wolf
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To: kevkrom

BTTT


243 posted on 01/31/2005 8:51:29 AM PST by international american (Tagline melting.............................................)
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To: bmweezer

Excuse me, but this tax will not affect the several billion $ underground economy of the illegal alien population...


244 posted on 01/31/2005 8:51:34 AM PST by television is just wrong (Our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens...)
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To: Le Seigneur De Porc; Conspiracy Guy; TBarnett34; Laura Earl

Good grief, you really don't have a clue do you?

The last thing on earth going on in this thread is a comfortable echo chamber.

You caught the viking kitty references, so I can't say you haven't been reading the thread.........but apparently you are a little weak in the comprehension department.


245 posted on 01/31/2005 8:51:52 AM PST by Gabz (Anti-smoker gnatzies...small minds buzzing in your business..............SWAT'EM)
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To: OHelix

I rather think the guy who wrote the article is as at sea about the Fair Tax Bill as I am, and because he may be an old timer, like I am, is more skeptical of change; and likes to examine all sides of a proposal before endorsing it carte blanc.
There are positive and negative facets to any proposal. These must be weighed one against the other in an unbiased manner in order to arrive at the most acceptable conclusion, IMHO. I am here to learn. We each must do our own weighing.


246 posted on 01/31/2005 8:52:11 AM PST by Paperdoll
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To: FreedomCalls
How then will you get your monthly Family Consumption Allowance rebate?

By providing about as much information as you need to to register to vote. Not by laying out your finances in excruciating detail.

247 posted on 01/31/2005 8:52:35 AM PST by kevkrom (If people are free to do as they wish, they are almost certain not to do as Utopian planners wish)
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To: bmweezer
Baloney! A straight-forward sales tax is better. It keeps the cost of government right out there in your face!
248 posted on 01/31/2005 8:52:35 AM PST by pointsal
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To: Conspiracy Guy

dude, I am trying to eat Dorito's between classes and surf this thread at the same time.

That just is gross.


249 posted on 01/31/2005 8:53:31 AM PST by rwfromkansas ("War is an ugly thing, but...the decayed feeling...which thinks nothing worth war, is worse." -Mill)
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To: MeekOneGOP

Le pinge de le zotte.


250 posted on 01/31/2005 8:53:38 AM PST by TBarnett34 ("Unnngh!" -John F'n Kerry, 11/2/04)
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To: mike182d
Have you ever seen the Simpsons when Bart uses Homer's credit card to purchase a $300 item?

So you're seriously getting your economic theories from a television cartoon? And you are going to change the economic structure of the world's largest economy because of what a cartoon character does?

251 posted on 01/31/2005 8:54:12 AM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Gabz; Le Seigneur De Porc; Conspiracy Guy; TBarnett34; Laura Earl

Yabbut he knows what endemic means.....He must be one them thar intellekshoals. Bet he drivin a Volvo!!


252 posted on 01/31/2005 8:55:25 AM PST by international american (Tagline melting.............................................)
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To: Gabz

He hasn't said a peep since that post. Perhaps the cat got his tongue???


253 posted on 01/31/2005 8:55:36 AM PST by Laura Earl (No man is an island, but some are peninsulas.)
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To: Phantom Lord
Neither. The consumer has 30% more spending money in his pocket.

Let me see ... more money to spend ... demand increases ... supply remains constant ... prices therefore .... DROP????

In your dreams.

254 posted on 01/31/2005 8:55:42 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: Paperdoll

The only way I would accept this is if they do away with the WELFARE STATE.

Cut the dead wood from the country, and make 'em work for a living.


255 posted on 01/31/2005 8:55:55 AM PST by television is just wrong (Our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens...)
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To: jonestown
"Well said. -- And you can bet your bottom dollar that those who are arguing here against the Fair Tax have that hand in your pocket, - as we speak.

This proposal breaks their rice bowl."

My biggest pet peeve with the current income tax system is that I must pay someone to tell me how much I owe (We are a family corp and we have far to many forms to do to do it ourselves) then if a mistake is made I still could be in violation of the law and not have a frigging clue if I actually did break the law until I hire lawyers and accountants to sift through the mess and tell me.

Second biggest pet peeve is payroll deduction. I have a good many friends who think they don't pay taxes because they get a refund.

Oh man is this gonna be an uphill battle to change this madness!

256 posted on 01/31/2005 8:56:08 AM PST by Mad Dawgg (French: old Europe word meaning surrender)
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To: Phantom Lord

>> Then wouldn't the removal of tax on your labor be an incentive to earn even more as you would get to keep every penny?<<

Why yes it would. And the fear of really high (and complex) taxes is exactly what disincents many americant to even pursue getting beyond their employee/slave status.

But since income is the starting point, it does not incent you from earning because you have to earn to live.

Most of what we spend is not required in order to live. The mindset of the average american is that you HAVE TO earn everything you earn, but you do not have to spend everything you spend. And if all the taxes are on the back end, it definitely would incent saving relative to spending.

Keep in mind also that if all the taxes you pay on income became a sales tax, and you live in a state that already taxes through sales, then the tax would become a major part of your purchase and something that, unlike an income tax, you could do something about.


257 posted on 01/31/2005 8:56:22 AM PST by RobRoy (I like you. You remind me of myself when I was young and stupid.)
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To: kevkrom

Thanks, I appreciate it.

Having long been an opponent of sales and excise taxes as regressive, I never did reject this right out of hand, but was sceptical of it over a flat tax. But this thread is throwing much light on it for me. I'm alaways in favor of LESS government intrusion in people's lives and business.


258 posted on 01/31/2005 8:56:37 AM PST by Gabz (Anti-smoker gnatzies...small minds buzzing in your business..............SWAT'EM)
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To: expatpat
Well, with the Income Tax, you can choose whether to work or not. I'd say they are about equal in "voluntariness".

That makes no sense whatsoever.

259 posted on 01/31/2005 8:57:10 AM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: FreedomCalls

Read reply # 3 which is what I was agreeing with. I stand by the author being an idiot comment.


260 posted on 01/31/2005 8:57:16 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (If only I used my evil genius for good !)
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