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The Branding of a Heretic
The Wall Street Journal and Discovery Institute ^ | January 28, 2005 | David Klinghoffer

Posted on 01/28/2005 6:50:34 AM PST by Heartlander

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To: general_re
How would I know?

You don't but you were quick to dismiss the only person willing to be quoted for attribution because he was not a "disinterested observer".

And I don't know the all the facts either which is why my first post to you was posed as a question and not a statement. If Coddingtons remarks have been faithfully reproduced then my question will become a statement.

101 posted on 01/29/2005 10:53:25 AM PST by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07

That's why I don't give him the benefit of the doubt - he's not a disinterested observer. If he's telling the truth, there's plenty of time to find it all out in the inevitable discrimination case, so I'll wait for that, when there's some real fact-finding going on.


102 posted on 01/29/2005 10:54:58 AM PST by general_re (How come so many of the VKs have been here six months or less?)
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To: jwalsh07

Time to go change the alternator belt in my fossil of a jeep.


103 posted on 01/29/2005 10:55:04 AM PST by jwalsh07
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To: general_re
" Why not? Personally, I think it's time to see who the reviewers were...."

....so that we can destroy their careers as well.

104 posted on 01/29/2005 11:23:23 AM PST by cookcounty (I'm an intelligent design ---you can speak for yourself.)
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To: cookcounty

Is that how it works in the world of insurance?


105 posted on 01/29/2005 11:35:26 AM PST by general_re (How come so many of the VKs have been here six months or less?)
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To: jwalsh07
Time to go change the alternator belt in my fossil of a jeep.

A fossil alternator belt could cause even more trouble. They really are all they're cracked up to be.

106 posted on 01/29/2005 12:48:43 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Heartlander

The universe itself could be conscious. Who are we to say it is not?


107 posted on 01/29/2005 1:51:30 PM PST by RightWhale (Please correct if cosmic balance requires.)
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To: jwalsh07

Have you ever been interviewed for a news story? Dan Rather is honest and competent compared to most.


108 posted on 01/29/2005 1:55:43 PM PST by js1138
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To: Doctor Stochastic
Faithful? Should be a course in college called "Maps and Morality."

Bad map. Go sit in the corner.

109 posted on 01/29/2005 1:58:54 PM PST by RightWhale (Please correct if cosmic balance requires.)
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To: js1138
Have you ever been interviewed for a news story? Dan Rather is honest and competent compared to most.

Rather cryptic. Spit it out js.

By the way, have you found the wrongness in my statement to physicist yet?

110 posted on 01/29/2005 2:04:01 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07

Which post to Physist? (Number???)

I was merely commenting that it is sane not to talk to reporters under most circumstances.


111 posted on 01/29/2005 2:06:16 PM PST by js1138
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To: js1138
Oh, OK I get it. My apologies for the cryptic retort.

We shall see what happens but the fact remains, only one person was quoted for attribution and that person knows this is headed to a court of law. Government employees do not have to pass a religious test. Whane it gets to the court we'll find out just waht went down.

Several days ago you commented on a thread to myself and Physicist wondering why I posted something if I knew it was wrong. I asked you what I wrote that was wrong.

You must have missed it. It's not important but you can find it by self searching if you want.

112 posted on 01/29/2005 2:32:12 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07
Sorry if I missed your question. I can't think of any specific thing I might have had in mind.

There are several things being asserted on these threads that I think are wrong, but I can't recall if any apply to you. So I will shotgun it, and list my peeves. If none apply to you, I appologise.

  1. Evolution is incompatible with religion.
  2. Science tries to prove there is no God.
  3. Evolutionist are atheists.
  4. Evolutionists are left wingers/sexually immoral, etc.
  5. Science can prove things.
  6. Evolution as a theory is "in trouble".
  7. ID has proven evolution impossible.
  8. It is possible to prove something did not happen by calculating the odds against it.

I'm sure there are more, but that's a start.

113 posted on 01/29/2005 2:56:13 PM PST by js1138
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To: js1138
Argument by splatter?

Try somebody else.

114 posted on 01/29/2005 4:02:18 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Tribune7

The problem is that the entire concept of ID lacks any scientific credibility. The inductive method cannot test such an idea. And if it could, then what was the origin of the designer. Failing to account for that means that ID fails to account for the origins of life. ID postulates that someone designed life, but that life, beign a product of design and of the designer, must ultimately come from the designer's origin. ID just puts off the answer of where life came from. It doesn't answer it.


115 posted on 01/29/2005 9:11:13 PM PST by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: jwalsh07

That is a circular arguement. Bioengineering is performed by people who are the product of evolution. Therefore, something biopengineered indirectly came into existence from something that did evolve and, therefore, owes its existence to evolution. The problem, like I've mentioneed before, is that ID does not answer the questions of the origins of life. It passes those questions onto a designer whoes origins are not questioned. Bad science.


116 posted on 01/29/2005 9:14:41 PM PST by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: doc30
Not circular doc. If humans are capapble of bioengineering, then bioengineering(ID) can not be ruled out unless one believes that humans are the end all be all.

In any case bioengineering is intelligent design. No getting around it, by circling or otherwise.

117 posted on 01/29/2005 9:21:39 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Doctor Stochastic

I've realized how ID is the opposite of a theory.

Creationists find a flaw in evolution theory and automatically assume that proves their theory.
That's not how a proof works.


118 posted on 01/29/2005 9:32:07 PM PST by stands2reason
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To: doc30
The purpose of science is to describe the universe in a methodological fashion. Now, if God exists and those using science fail to recognize Him, then they fail in their endeavor.

ID is a falsification of random evolution. If random evolution is falsified what does that mean?

119 posted on 01/29/2005 10:03:03 PM PST by Tribune7
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To: Tribune7
If random evolution is falsified what does that mean?

That evolution contains non-random elements.

(Sorry, just popping in.)

120 posted on 01/29/2005 11:43:52 PM PST by jennyp (WHAT I'M READING NOW: Professional NT Services by Miller)
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