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Republicans Squaring Off Over Bush Plan on Immigration
NY Times ^ | January 27, 2005 | DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK

Posted on 01/27/2005 7:15:50 PM PST by neverdem

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To: garandgal
"we just had a local community pass a law banning chickens in town. "

That's the way a town should handle a nuisance. Attack the specific problem, don't just blame president Bush.

Example: Houston solved its gang problems in the 80s with oincreased law enforcemant. LA, has a severe gang problem which they blame on immigration. Both Houston and LA have similar immigrant concentrations, but LA which is several time larger than Houston only has a third the number of policemen. It's not Bush's fault.

So are the meat packing plants locating outside the city limits, or are those towns drying up like many rural towns. Are their hospitals closing?

281 posted on 01/28/2005 9:24:08 AM PST by bayourod (America, the greatest nation in history is a nation of immigrants. Immigrants are an asset.)
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To: Nea Wood

Its amazing how many OBL types use Reagan as a prop, as if Reagan would've approved of their ethics(or lack of).


282 posted on 01/28/2005 9:26:10 AM PST by skeeter (OBL "Americans" won't honor any law that interferes with their pocketbooks)
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To: Reaganwuzthebest; skeeter
Sounds exactly like something Bush would/has said. Bush has refered to the "shadowy world" and called for increased enforcement of employer sanctions.

President Reagan was a very compassionate man. In person the compasion was far more apparent than on TV. That's where Bush got his "compassionate conservative" theme.

Bush's guest worker/increased enforcement plan is probably his attempt to accomplish what Reagan incorrectly tried to do with his amnesty program.

283 posted on 01/28/2005 9:31:38 AM PST by bayourod (America, the greatest nation in history is a nation of immigrants. Immigrants are an asset.)
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
employers down through the years who have encouraged the illegal entry into this country because they then hire these individuals and hire them at starvation wages and with none of the benefits that we think are normal and natural for workers in our country.

Reagan the marxist. Whoda thunk?

284 posted on 01/28/2005 9:31:48 AM PST by skeeter (OBL "Americans" won't honor any law that interferes with their pocketbooks)
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To: bayourod
Sounds exactly like something Bush would/has said.

George Bush?

285 posted on 01/28/2005 9:34:01 AM PST by skeeter (OBL "Americans" won't honor any law that interferes with their pocketbooks)
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To: bayourod
Sounds exactly like something Bush would/has said. Bush has refered to the "shadowy world" and called for increased enforcement of employer sanctions.

Sorry bayourod but I've yet to hear Bush talk about borders in a way that relates to sovereignty as Reagan did. To him it's only a barrier designed keep out drug dealers and thieves, the rest can come in because "family values don't stop at the Rio Bravo". It's two very different philosophies, which your cheap labor glasses are incapable of seeing.

286 posted on 01/28/2005 9:38:53 AM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: TexasCowboy
One question, bayoufraud: Have you ever driven in Mexico?

TC you nailed his name perfectly. LOL!!

I've driven in Mexico before and what's worse, as a pedestrian I've crossed their streets. I learned that vehicles have the right away! We were almost run over by a taxi driver.

287 posted on 01/28/2005 9:39:49 AM PST by NRA2BFree (NO AMNESTY, NO UN, NO PC, NO WHINY @SS LIBERAL BETTERS, NO LIBERAL JUDGES!!)
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To: bayourod
RE: Huston and LA. It is just about impossible to raise local taxes in California due to Prop. 13. The State, because of the cost of providing services (read wealth transfer) to a large minority of it's citizens is in no position to help. In fact, the state legislature spends a great deal of time looking for additional sources to steal from local entities.
Basically, California has reached critical mass. Homes in gated communities, IE Diamond Bar, are reaching new heights as people flee to safety.
288 posted on 01/28/2005 9:40:46 AM PST by investigateworld (Babies= A sure sign He hasn't given up on mankind!)
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To: skeeter
Reagan the marxist. Whoda thunk?

That's what the open border apologists would be calling him if he were around saying that today.

289 posted on 01/28/2005 9:40:58 AM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: bayourod
That's where Bush got his "compassionate conservative" theme.

Wrong again. 'Compassionate Conservative' owes more to 'Kinder & Gentler' which was coined to be a positive contrast to the Reagan era.

290 posted on 01/28/2005 9:43:52 AM PST by skeeter (OBL "Americans" won't honor any law that interferes with their pocketbooks)
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To: bayourod

"The security objective has been met so far"......that statement might come as a surprise to families who've had loved ones raped, robbed, maimed and murdered by illegals. Don't think all those thousands of illegals in our prisons sucking up billions of tax $ are there by accident!


291 posted on 01/28/2005 9:53:13 AM PST by american spirit
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To: Paperdoll

I meant to ping you to #276
Sorry for the delay.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1330294/posts?page=276#276


292 posted on 01/28/2005 9:53:30 AM PST by B4Ranch (Don't remain seated until this ride comes to a full and complete stop! We're going the wrong way!)
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To: NorCalRepub

She is more adult like than Boxer, that's for sure. After 9/11, she made a public statement that I can't remember. It got me thinking that maybe she was an American at heart.

Who knows. There is hope for everyone.


293 posted on 01/28/2005 10:09:34 AM PST by TheSpottedOwl
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To: LibertarianInExile
And it's not like they wouldn't do it for a wage that's better than illegal wages.

You're right.

They move their factories overseas to where the cheap labor was and they support open borders so they flood the labor pool and drive down the wages of the jobs that are left.

Even those that are in skilled professions are only given a temporary stay.

If they can replace machinist, pipe fitters,welders, mechanics,sheet metal workers who require extra schooling and a two to four year apprenticeship then they can replace the white collar skills as well.

A lot of the white collar jobs are easier to outsource, or offshore physically.

294 posted on 01/28/2005 11:37:29 AM PST by mississippi red-neck
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To: bayourod

"Labor is already tight with unemployment below average and shortages existing in both geographical and industrial sectors.
If we don't increase the labor pool in the country we could face serious shortages in the near future."

Even if your seriously flawed assumptions were true....then we should cut funding for social services like schooling, housing, welfare, etc for these illegal trespassers. They would mostly "self deport" in 6 months time. Then, start a new "list" of LEGAL applicants for emmigration to the US.

Get the illegals out. Welcome new immigrants who abide by our laws and will be "team players".

But again....since the very foundation of your sensless claim of a labor shortage is false....everything else is just wishful thinking.


295 posted on 01/28/2005 12:40:42 PM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: taxed2death; All

"An Opinion Research Corp. survey released last week showed the No. 1 priority of registered voters across the country is border defense and homeland security. It was – far and away – the top military or foreign priority for 43 percent of the respondents. A distant second, at 19 percent, was intelligence gathering. Just 17 percent thought international aid and diplomacy should be the nation's most important objective.


When voters were asked to choose their highest, second and third priorities from the list of issues, and their top choices were combined, defense of U.S. borders was the clear winner at 77 percent."
http://resultsforamerica.org/survey.html


296 posted on 01/28/2005 12:56:46 PM PST by JustAnotherSavage ("We are all sinners. But jerks revel in their sins." PJ O'Rourke)
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To: NRA2BFree; Marine Inspector
"TC you nailed his name perfectly. LOL!!"

I wish I could claim that, but Marine Inspector came up with that name.

297 posted on 01/28/2005 1:02:50 PM PST by TexasCowboy (Texan by birth, citizen of Jesusland by the Grace of God)
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To: FrankWild

Agreed.


298 posted on 01/28/2005 2:05:05 PM PST by Marine Inspector (Customs & Border Protection Officer)
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To: JustAnotherSavage

Personally, I doubt the House will be able to stop the President for 4 years. They will try at first, but in time they will decide it's not worth it or they will take another compromise, which the President will renege on.


299 posted on 01/28/2005 2:08:01 PM PST by Marine Inspector (Customs & Border Protection Officer)
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To: B4Ranch
I don't think your senerio is correct, but if it were, do you realize what would be the result of doubling the number of guards? Under your model, the first 40% would be arrested and the other 60% would cross freely.

I suspect that the CBP is a little smarter than you give them credit for.

300 posted on 01/28/2005 2:23:30 PM PST by bayourod (America, the greatest nation in history is a nation of immigrants. Immigrants are an asset.)
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