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Republicans Squaring Off Over Bush Plan on Immigration
NY Times ^ | January 27, 2005 | DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK

Posted on 01/27/2005 7:15:50 PM PST by neverdem

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To: ohiocreek
America is not a factory or a business, it is a Nation. To a patriot, some things are more important than labor shortages.

Very well said. Amen, brother.

261 posted on 01/28/2005 8:51:21 AM PST by TheSpottedOwl
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To: skeeter
Reagan, from the 10/28/04 presidential debate:

With regard to the employer sanctions, we must have that - not only to ensure that we can identify the illegal aliens but also, while some keep protesting about what it would do to employers, there is another employer that we shouldn't be so concerned about, and these are employers down through the years who have encouraged the illegal entry into this country because they then hire these individuals and hire them at starvation wages and with none of the benefits that we think are normal and natural for workers in our country. And the individuals can't complain because of their illegal status.

We don't think that those people should be allowed to continue operating free, and this was why the provisions that we had in with regard to sanctions and so forth. And I'm going to do everything I can, and all of us in the Administration are, to join in again when Congress is back at it to get an immigration bill that will give us once again control of our borders.

262 posted on 01/28/2005 8:52:26 AM PST by skeeter (OBL "Americans" won't honor any law that interferes with their pocketbooks)
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To: Joe Taranto

#262 is for you.


263 posted on 01/28/2005 8:54:43 AM PST by skeeter (OBL "Americans" won't honor any law that interferes with their pocketbooks)
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To: B4Ranch
I didn't mean I wanted the official government definitions of guest worker, legal immigrant , and illegal immigrant. I wanted to know what intrinsically was the difference between a person who is legal one day and illegal the next.

But if you want to use technical definitions I guess I can start using the phrases "undocumented worker" and "out of status immigrant".

264 posted on 01/28/2005 8:56:54 AM PST by bayourod (America, the greatest nation in history is a nation of immigrants. Immigrants are an asset.)
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To: neverdem
Ah $h!t, not again..... I looked at Sennsebrenner's bill (HR418), the same obnoxious driver license provisions especially mandating that states must participate in the Driver License Agreement (DLA) that were stripped out of last year's signed Intel bill. Why are they so insistent on the DLA. I talked to staff with the Judiciary Committee and the staff member mentioned that the DLA is going to be insisted on.

The DLA has nothing to do with terrorism and I mentioned it. It is about forcing states to punish their drivers for getting a traffic violation in another state/Canada/Mexico with license suspension points. The bill also micromanages how states must run their driver license programs such as the maximum time a license is good for before expiration. It also requires states to post ALL violations to your driving record. The state I live in - Colorado does not penalize for out of state tickets and does not post zero point violations to your record like a ticket for no front license plate for example or no seat-belt. Colorado should be allowed to continue their policy and not be dictated to by Congress.

The DLA will make personal information available not only between the US states but also with Mexico and Canada. It is defined in the DLA. Can you imagine some corrupt Mexican cops accessing driver's license databases and getting people's SS#'s and using them for identity theft ! The linking of databases through the DLA as defined in Sec. 203 of HR418 is bad ! It needs to be stripped out of the bill !

Also while we are at it, the American Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators (AAMVA) should be required to open their books to public scrutiny and same with their web site - http://www.aamva.org. Their web site has many protected pages especially when it comes to conference notes related to their Driver License Compact (DLC) meetings where this DLA has been discussed. If they are involved in making public policy, then the open door/sunshine laws should apply to them or they should be disbanded !
265 posted on 01/28/2005 8:57:09 AM PST by CORedneck
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To: skeeter

I'm enjoying reading your posts. I'm confused by the date at the top - 10/28/04...


266 posted on 01/28/2005 8:58:50 AM PST by cassie22
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To: cassie22

Sorry, that should be '84...


267 posted on 01/28/2005 9:00:55 AM PST by skeeter (OBL "Americans" won't honor any law that interferes with their pocketbooks)
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To: bayourod
#262 was for you too, Bay.

In fact, I think Reagan was referring to you, specifically.

268 posted on 01/28/2005 9:02:08 AM PST by skeeter (OBL "Americans" won't honor any law that interferes with their pocketbooks)
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To: skeeter

Thanks! Appreciate it very much!


269 posted on 01/28/2005 9:04:02 AM PST by cassie22
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To: Once-Ler
What ever happened to conservative values here?

Isolationist xenophobia is not conservative.

Ah, I see. But growing government and pushing government spending out to the orbit of Jupiter is? A government and a White House that stands wiking and nodding at literally millions entering our country illegally is? An administration that wants to reward millions criminals is? Knowing this would only attract millions more criminals to crash our borders.

What utter BS.

270 posted on 01/28/2005 9:05:03 AM PST by Joe Hadenuf (No more illegal alien sympathizers from Texas. America has one too many.)
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To: skeeter

Nice post.


271 posted on 01/28/2005 9:08:01 AM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Paperdoll
"Uninsured illegal Mexicans totaled my beautiful Audi "

Had your state issued the driver a license? Don't you have to show proof of insurance to get inspection stickers and license plates? The fine here is $500.

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"the President has a closed mind on his open border policy,"

The President doesn't have an "open border" policy.We haven't had on open border policy since 1885.

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"only a moron couldn't connect the dots. "

Your words, not mine. President Bush has not only increased security at the border itself, but has extended the "zone of protection" to the gateways of Mexico and other southern nations as well as departure points in European and African countries.

After 9/11, the objective became to stop terrorists from entering the U.S. There has not been a single confirmed case of a terrorist jumping the southern border. The security objective has been met so far. The fact that the security policy did not also keep out as many Mexican gardeners as you would like is no reason to refer to someone who doesn't understand the difference between security and immigration a moron.

272 posted on 01/28/2005 9:09:19 AM PST by bayourod (America, the greatest nation in history is a nation of immigrants. Immigrants are an asset.)
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To: Once-Ler

"I do not want to give business the duty and responsibility to investigate legal status."

Your HR friends are obviously extremely inept. If you read the government requirements of the I-9 you would know that copies of the original document are required by law. You don't transpose numbers when you make copies.


273 posted on 01/28/2005 9:11:02 AM PST by politicalwit (Import poverty...hire an illegal today)
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To: TexasCowboy

Yep. You ever driven in Boston?


274 posted on 01/28/2005 9:11:27 AM PST by bayourod (America, the greatest nation in history is a nation of immigrants. Immigrants are an asset.)
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To: skeeter

Nice find! Thanks for posting.


275 posted on 01/28/2005 9:12:32 AM PST by Nea Wood (I considered atheism but there weren't enough holidays.)
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To: bayourod

>>. I wanted to know what intrinsically was the difference between a person who is legal one day and illegal the next.<<

One is a criminal, one is not.
Whom do you want as a neighbor?
A person who respects the law or someone who says, "Your laws don't apply to me because I said so!"

Whom do you want as a co-worker??
A person who respects the law or someone who says, "Your laws don't apply to me because I said so!"

Whom do you want as a son in law???
A person who respects the law or someone who says, "Your laws don't apply to me because I said so!"


276 posted on 01/28/2005 9:13:23 AM PST by B4Ranch (Don't remain seated until this ride comes to a full and complete stop! We're going the wrong way!)
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To: CORedneck

It's working towards a National ID Card, didn't the staffer tell you?


278 posted on 01/28/2005 9:15:40 AM PST by B4Ranch (Don't remain seated until this ride comes to a full and complete stop! We're going the wrong way!)
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To: bayourod

>>The President doesn't have an "open border" policy.We haven't had on open border policy since 1885.<<

I have no idea how many times I have explained this commom sense reasoning, but once again just for you.

America has Border Patrol Agents who do risk their lives protecting Americas borders.

The chain of events every night is the same. It is a simple 1 2 3 occurance.

1)The 1st 1000 illegals who come across get caught.

2)They are taken to the deportation centers by the arresting agents.

3)This means that the arresting agents are no longer at their duty stations - - - to apprehend the next 4000 who successfully come in every night of the week!

READ CAREFULLY, The fact that our federal government will not fund the Border Patrol to a point where the arresting agents can remain on station means that this is a planned occurance by the federal officials which allows the existance of an open border policy after the first 20% of illegal invaders have been arrested.

READ CAREFULLY, The federal government will not increase the size of the deportation centers, nor will they fund it so that the system will handle more illegal aliens every night.

READ CAREFULLY, It is the obvious intention of the federal bureaucrats to allow 80% of all illegal aliens who wish to enter these United States illegally to do so!

READ CAREFULLY, This means that we have an 80% Open Border Policy because we only have the personel and facilities to process the first 20%.

Some people such as yourself refuse to see the 80% Open Border Policy because you do not wish to, however that does not mean it does not exist. How do you think 20 MILLION people, men, women, teenagers and babies have successfully walked in to America.


279 posted on 01/28/2005 9:17:47 AM PST by B4Ranch (Don't remain seated until this ride comes to a full and complete stop! We're going the wrong way!)
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To: bayourod

You have lots of Reagan quotes on your homepage, would you like to respond to his position regarding illegal immigration from post #262, which is completely contradictory to yourz?


280 posted on 01/28/2005 9:19:03 AM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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