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Microsoft Reports Record Revenue and Earnings
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| 1/27/2005
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Posted on 01/27/2005 5:49:55 PM PST by KwasiOwusu
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To: meyer
Microshaft corporate motto = "We are Microsoft, resistance is futile. You will be assimilated."
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posted on
01/31/2005 6:56:22 AM PST
by
TXBSAFH
(Never underestimate the power of human stupidity--Robert Heinlein)
To: KwasiOwusu
Microsoft started writing NT in 1987 when they brought in David Cutler and his gang from Digital. It wasn't till 1996 when NT 4 came out that Microsoft actually started making any real profits on NT. That is NINE solid years! In general, I agree with your point of leveraging current software. OTOH, how much is it going to cost MS to port Windows to an IBM platform?
On your Windows history. First, Cutler didn't start until 1988. Second, a huge reason for the cost and delay is the success of Windows 3 in 1990. Cutler had been designing NT to the OS/2 APIs for a couple of years, but then Gates told them to change everything to be compatible with the Win 16 APIs and DOS. This was a great marketing decision, but it resulted in an inferior OS that was delayed for years. This fundamental design decision haunts Windows to this day.
To: Terpfen
You aren't appreciating the situation Microsoft is in: it's a software company in a hardware market. The best thing Microsoft produces is hardware.
To: KwasiOwusu
Sony's in deep trouble alright Sony's deepest troubles come from Apple. As the historical leader for personal music players, Sony is now admitting it made a mistake letting Apple claim that title, and it's costing them.
To: antiRepublicrat
Except Microsoft doesn't make the hardware: it's another company doing the making with the Microsoft brand on it.
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posted on
01/31/2005 2:26:55 PM PST
by
Terpfen
(New Democrat Party motto: les enfant terribles)
To: Terpfen
Except Microsoft doesn't make the hardware: it's another company doing the making with the Microsoft brand on it. In that case, Apple doesn't make hardware and Dell doesn't make monitors. That doesn't matter -- Microsoft hardware designs are good no matter where they're made. They also developed the first ergonomic mouse.
I will go with Dell doesn't make printers, since they are just rebranded Lexmarks.
To: antiRepublicrat
"Apple doesn't make hardware"
Correct. Apple is a hardware vendor that orders specified parts from other companies, puts their brand on the box, and installs their operating system.
"and Dell doesn't make monitors."
Also correct. Dell's monitors are made by multiple third parties. My 17'' Dell E171FPb is made by BenQ, while the newest 2005FP and 2405FP monitors are made by Samsung.
"They also developed the first ergonomic mouse."
I'll give you that, though Logitech has been kicking their ass ergonomically since the MX510. I use an MX1000, and my only problem is that the combo dock/receiver prohibits portability.
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posted on
02/01/2005 4:20:06 PM PST
by
Terpfen
(New Democrat Party motto: les enfant terribles)
To: KwasiOwusu
Meanwhile Apple Stock Goes through the roof......
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posted on
02/01/2005 4:23:04 PM PST
by
cmsgop
To: Terpfen
Correct. Apple is a hardware vendor that orders specified parts from other companies, puts their brand on the box, and installs their operating system. You left out the part where they design the system first. You could correctly call them a hardware design firm that often contracts out the actual manufacture. I know their notebooks and Mac mini are contracted out, but I think they still make the G5 themselves.
I use an MX1000, and my only problem is that the combo dock/receiver prohibits portability.
I use the wireless keyboard/MX700 mouse combo. Sweet.
To: antiRepublicrat
"You left out the part where they design the system first."
Well, that really goes without saying. Side note: since Asus makes a lot of stuff for Apple, they're trying to cash in on Apple's success by making PC laptops that look like iBooks.
"I use the wireless keyboard/MX700 mouse combo. Sweet."
Not a bad setup. I was going to wait for an MX1000 keyboard/mouse combo pack, but Logitech hasn't done anything in that area yet, so I just grabbed the mouse. It'd be nice if there was a Mac-styled mouse with the ergonomics and/or button amount of the MX1000. If I pick up a Mac laptop (which it looks like I will), I'll have to use
this.
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posted on
02/02/2005 12:41:03 AM PST
by
Terpfen
(New Democrat Party motto: les enfant terribles)
To: cmsgop
Microsoft has outperformed CRAPPLE since Microsoft went public by far.
Its not even close.
To: antiRepublicrat
"Second, a huge reason for the cost and delay is the success of Windows 3 in 1990. Cutler had been designing NT to the OS/2 APIs for a couple of years, but then Gates told them to change everything to be compatible with the Win 16 APIs and DOS"
You are correct on the above of course.
But.... I have to agree with that decision.
It was absolutely essential, for marketing reasons, that NT be compatible with Win 16 APIs and Dos. And the overall point I was making still remains valid. That its sometimes necessary to take loses for some time on a product with a potentially very big market.
Today ,without NT ,Microsoft will really be in very deep trouble. Practically everything is based on NT. XP, Win Server 2003, SQL Server and Exchange Server run on NT etc etc.
To: KwasiOwusu
It was absolutely essential, for marketing reasons, that NT be compatible with Win 16 APIs and Dos. Unfortunately, that meant it became a mediocre OS instead of something befitting a marriage of OS/2 and VMS -- more stable, elegantly architected and secure. If you ever wonder why OS X is better than Windows XP, you can trace one reason to this 15-year-old decision.
And the overall point I was making still remains valid. That its sometimes necessary to take loses for some time on a product with a potentially very big market.
Absolutely valid, loss leaders can be a smart business tactic.
Practically everything is based on NT. XP, Win Server 2003, SQL Server and Exchange Server run on NT etc etc.
Sad, but true. Marketing ahead of quality usually wins because people accept low quality if they don't know any better. I would have preferred a harder migration from 3.1/9x to NT than to have NT be so bad. Apple did it the right way with OS X, a whole new OS to throw out the old garbage. There were some growing pains, but the OS is better for it. I belive Microsoft is finally doing this to some extent in Longhorn.
To: KwasiOwusu
Microsoft has outperformed CRAPPLE since Microsoft went public by far.
Yes,very true,but as Janet Jackson once said"What Have You Done For Me Lately"
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posted on
02/02/2005 12:28:35 PM PST
by
cmsgop
To: cmsgop
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posted on
02/02/2005 12:32:40 PM PST
by
cmsgop
To: KwasiOwusu
AAPL
78.59
+1.06......................:*)
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posted on
02/02/2005 12:33:50 PM PST
by
cmsgop
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