Posted on 01/25/2005 6:15:41 PM PST by gobucks
My granddaughter was visiting and I posted while babysitting for the last three days. She left this afternoon and I totally lost patience with a couple of these guys. Went over to a thread about the sub that hit the mount to tell a few sea stories!
You are right on this one. It is well documented how a group of religious leaders got together and voted on what to put in and what to take out of the Bible along with documented notes where "new" information was added during translations.
Went over to a thread about the sub that hit the mount to tell a few sea stories!
I was reading one of those too and speculated about the future career of the captain. Not too good I expect.
Maybe we'll cross paths on the next Crevo thread. Take care.
I have information in textbooks, and not on websites that I am researching.
Have you checked out a reference in Josephus' Antiquities, Tacitus' Annals, or Thallus' Histories, with references to the historic crucifixion and resurrection? Or Tolidoth Jesu's assertion that the disciples stole and hid Jesus' body?
Since for some reason you assume that Christians are not reliable sources, you should be interested in these four non-Christian historic sources.
What are you referring to as 'propaganda?'
Christianity changed the world, Junior, and it is because of the truth of the Resurrection.
The Romans were afraid of it, and they tortured and crucified the followers of Jesus, who showed only love. Why were they willing to die for a complete lie?
It is part of the historic record that Jesus was a very real person (and I just found out there is more written on his life than there is on the life of Winston Churchill........interesting, no?)
There were eyewitness accounts of His life, His crucifixion and His resurrection that were written down before those who witnessed it died.
There is more than ample proof that the Gospels are authentic (one proof of an ancient text is whether or not in contains embarrassing material for the author. The fear of the disciples following the crucifixion would not be there if they were only proselyzing).
If you believe that Caesar wrote the Gallic Wars, and Plato the Republic, then you should believe in the historic Jesus.
You can reject the truth of what Caesar said, or disagree with Plato, or call Matthew, Mark, Luke (correction from a previous statement I made.....he was not an eyewitness) and John liars, but you cannot deny that they wrote authentic historic documents, and it behooves you to study them as such.
Soon to be placed on the great PH's list o' links. Oh, the irony.
MOST interesting.
Indeed. A little over the top for my liking, but interesting nonetheless. I've learned more than I wanted to know; I think. :)
For the sake of balance I would have to agree :-)
I've looked over a little your posts, and I'd agree totally w/ you aims.
The history classes I was taught, year after year, made little sense, especially the ones regarding wars. Then, after Jesus, I re calibrate my entire inventory of 'facts' regarding what I was taught in school, and lo and behold, it actually all fits. All of it.
You said Christianity changed the world. I agree that the Resurrection was a critical component. I'd also offer this: absolute truth, as a idea, was never claimed by anyone or anything such that as a single concept, it was ever believable by anyone. Deception ruled, and the differences were only by the degree.
Now, year after year, we have a cadre of folks who do indeed accept 'absolute truth' as a noble good, but one THEY made up. The scientists are essentially piggy backing, whooping as they ride around the pen, and yelling, "This is a University, not a barnyard, and I'm sittting at my computer, MY COMPUTER YOU SEE!, not sitting on this pig!
It's called intellectual theft - and it is a motivated theft; it is not accidental.
Those small remarks aside, gobucks!
I appreciate that..............the balance, I mean. :o)
And the product of this 'intellectual theft' by academics making up their own 'absolute truth' in their ivory towers and science labs, is lapped up and swallowed by the gullible and naive, and then regurgitated on threads just like this one......
I am not so trusting of academia. Their agenda is not very well hidden.
We were all created. Many of us devolve.
I often feel often pulled in different directions as a Christian and a s a scientist. managing my beliefs is a balancing act as I find one based on logic and empirical data, the other on an intangible concept called faith.
There are many scientists who reconcile their study of science with their faith in the Creator. And there is much empirical evidence to support creation, as well.
I don't remember the man's name unfortunately, but very recently a British scientist who had been an atheist, or at least agnostic, recognized and wrote that in looking at DNA, he had no choice but to believe there was Intelligence behind it, and it could not be otherwise.
The evidence for creation is there, unless you are determined not to see it.
That comment was not referring to you, Kelly.
Oh I agree but there is also much that must be taken as faith, mine is strong. So is my belief in science and I always fight to reconcile one with the other it is ongoing for me.
The bible says those things happend.
But what it DOES NOT SAY is that Evolution DID NOT happen. The details of how species came to be is just not detailed in those few hundred words. And it doesn't need to be.
Just as the details of how Jesus fed the masses is not detailed. And it does not need to be.
But Gods creation (and God does not lie, even in his creation) has obvious evidence of Evolution. The evidence for Jesus feeding the masses is only in the Bible, and that's what the Bible is for. Telling you that which cannot be known simply by looking at Gods Creation.
Gods creation does not lie, as the Bible does not lie. It's only your interpretation of the words that is in error.
Humans need to use the proper tool to determine what God in fact did, and when the question is how did species come to be, the place with far, far, far, more information is Gods Creation, not Gods Word.
A picture is worth a thousand words. The Creation stories in Genesis don't even have that many. But Gods creation has not only trillions of pictures, it has evidence of Gods work by the litteral ton.
Gods creation is not a lie and Evolution is one of His greatest creations. He just did not claim explicit credit for it, as He did not claim credit for a great many things that He nevertheless did create.
Thank for clearifying all that. I really screwed the pooch on this one I'll tell ya. sorry all.
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