Imam Advises Muslims to Lie on US Citizenship Oath of Allegiance

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[Deaf Smith]

The oath of allegiance is as follows: I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen;

It was at the top of this thread.

[patriot_wes]

"Muslims come in all races; regardless of the race, they are, one and all, misguided moon-god worshippers that follow a false religion as presented by a perverted pedophile with illusions of grandeur."

I love how you said that! ...and it's about time America wised up and understand this culture spells death everywhere it attains a majority.

[JRandomFreeper]

Mainly because I refuse to be a dhimmi.

My daughter put it a little differently... something about a 'damned burka' that she would never wear....

But she's safe. She scored expert with hand grenades, and her rifle scores are good too.

No dhimmi here.

/john

[Hank Rearden]

Please withold racist comments.

I was going to say "Screw the Moos!"

So, you're saying I can't do that now? Bummer, dude.

[RKV]

[Middle-O-Road]

You may be right, but I hope you're wrong.

If you're right, billions of people will die - either us, or them. And I will do everything in my power to make it them.

They have an opportunity. I give them one. After that it's up to them.

Iraq seems to be using their opportunity the right way, since they have opted NOT to implement Sharia.

[Freebird Forever]

Please withold racist comments.

islam is a panracial ideology.

Criticizing islam is NOT racist. At all !!

[Middle-O-Road]

This was one muslim out of how many?

If a Christian kills a fellow marine, do we condemn all Christians?

Don't get me wrong - all terrorists should die. But if someone is innocent ...

[notigar]

"the imam is advising the questioner to follow the Islamic doctrine of taqiyya, or dissimulation, the essence of which is to lie to infidels to gain advantage over them."

Then why doesn't the imam use that phrase? What he is saying is this:

"Hence, we are not allowed to obey anybody if it is resulting in the disobedience of the Creator"

Which is found in the Bible here:

"We must obey God rather than man" (Acts 5:29)

[Middle-O-Road]

The oath of allegiance is as follows: I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen.

And where exactly is God mentioned in this?

[RKV]

Of course the imam is not going to TELL you he is going to implement sharia at the earliest possible opportunity is he?

[thoughtomator]

I had hoped for a very long time that what I am telling you now is wrong. Despite my every effort to prove it wrong, all my research proved it right. I encourage you to read the links I gave to you and educate yourself on what Islam really is - it's a totalitarian system worse than Nazism, and worse than Communism. (Coming from a Jewish family originating in eastern Russian and the Ukraine, I must stress that this is no exaggeration.)

Educate yourself - because you are well-spoken and we need you, and everyone else who will heed your words - to gird up and fight, and give our civilization a chance to survive.

[RKV]

You ever hear of the Caliphate? That is the state that the muslim owes allegiance to. That is the state that OBL hopes to create.

[thoughtomator]

He doesn't use the phrase because it would be ridiculously redundant to use it, as one Muslim speaking to another.

[notigar]

why not? He's on a message board in South Africa.

[notigar]

If it would be ridiculously redundant to use it, why is the guy asking the question? Shouldn't he already know the answer?

[who knows what evil?]

We tolerate them, but in a majority situation they would not tolerate us.

It is amazing how few people in the country comprehend that simple fact. When they are the majority; the rules WILL change...and not for the better. Islam is patient. Americans? We're just gullible fools.

[Middle-O-Road]

Of course the imam is not going to TELL you he is going to implement sharia at the earliest possible opportunity is he?

Considering the fact that he's in South Africa, he can't.

I think it's possible to be a little bit too paranoid. The muslims don't outnumber non-muslims in the world, even tho there's more than a billion of them. It kind of precludes their ability to take over the world.

[RKV]

People are afraid of the muslims. Look what has happened in Europe. They are practically begging to be taken over - Eurabia. I pray we have better sense.

[thoughtomator]

No, because he may be unsure of whether such blasphemy is permissible even under taqiyya, or also be uncertain if that situation reaches the threshold for using it.

As an analogy, a Judeo-Christian rule is "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you". If someone has a question on whether a particular act is a good act in a specific circumstance or not, an answering priest need not advise him of the rule; it would be assumed. The question and answer would both be based on that rule, but never mentioned, with the discussion focusing on the relative goodness of the act being contemplated.