2,000 new border agents aren't part of budget, [Bush] says

USA Today ^ | Jan. 25, 2005 | Mimi Hall

[JustAnotherSavage]

BTT

[4.1O dana super trac pak]

Base to President Bush: Hello? Hello?

[Ajnin]

LOL!

[ApesForEvolution]

If you knew the whole truth, you would march on DC...

[madison10]

I'd bet we could get a pretty good volunteer corp if they were actually allowed to SHOOT. Forget the budget.

[af_vet_rr]

Mr. Bush is no conservative on this issue and his nonchalance about the porous condition of our southern border is outrageous.

I'm not defending him because I'm from Texas, but I'm going to say that Bush is not alone - the past three governors we've had have all buddied up to Mexico. Rick Perry is the same way (he's wanting to build one helluva boondoggle of a transportation project to funnel the Mexicans into the US even faster), and Ann Richards was the same way as well.

I think somebody in the Mexican government puts something in their water when they visit, because they tend to ignore all of the serious problems when they meet with Mexican officials, and just talk about things that aren't important to the rest of us in Texas. They ignore our water treaties/pacts, our border security, etc.

[nonliberal]

What is the White House definition of "work with?"

[bayourod]

"On what basis do you believe that a "guest worker program" will in any way curb illegal crossings? "

If you were a Mexican laborer and you had a choice between driving across the border with a guest worker visa or paying a coyote $1,500.00 to guide you on a three day walk across the desert, which would you choose.

If you were a Mexican laborer and you had a choice between living and working legally in the U.S., or living and working illegally hiding from the law, which would you choose?

If you were an employer and had the choice between hiring someone who was legal, or hiring someone who was illegal, couldn't get a drivers license, might be deported without notice and subjected you to heavy fines if caught, which would you choose?

[bayourod]

I doubt that they come here at all if they know they are on the list.

[bayourod]

When you finish laughing perhaps you can explain to us why a Mexican laborer would prefer to enter the US illegally when he could enter and work legally under the guest worker program.

[bayourod]

"Most illegals are hired under that table, and that is where they will stay. The guest worker program will not change this dynamic. "

Why? Why would a Mexican laborer prefer to remain illegal when he could just as easily become legal?

Why would an employer risk the fines of hiring an illegal worker when he could hire a legal one instead?

[adam_az]

Those are all interesting ideas, but what makes you think that the "legal" immigrant workers won't be outcompeted by the illegals, as happens now?

"If you were an employer and had the choice between hiring someone who was legal, or hiring someone who was illegal, couldn't get a drivers license, might be deported without notice and subjected you to heavy fines if caught, which would you choose?"

This is a JOKE - it's the kind of enforcement "they" tell us can't be done NOW. How gullible do you have to be to think it will happen LATER?

[adam_az]

"When you finish laughing perhaps you can explain to us why a Mexican laborer would prefer to enter the US illegally when he could enter and work legally under the guest worker program."

Because it's easy and there are really no penalties for doing it.

Why would a Mexican come "legally" and have to pay taxes, when he could come illegally and do the same work for better money (no taxes) with no consequence?

[BurbankKarl]

They need to let the Border Agents do their job by sweeping workplaces in CA first.

Operation Wet Back 2

[bayourod]

"what makes you think that the "legal" immigrant workers won't be outcompeted by the illegals, as happens now? "

Because they are the same people, they'll just have an extra card in their billfold, the supply/demand ratio wouldn't change.

[bayourod]

"Why would a Mexican come "legally" and have to pay taxes, when he could come illegally and do the same work for better money (no taxes) with no consequence? "

They have to pay taxes whether legal or illegal. It's a myth that most of them are paid under the table in cash. If an employer pays off the books he can't deduct wages from gross income. He has to pay income taxes on that money, usually at a higher rate than the laborer would.

Companies with an bookkeeper/accountant/payroll office can't pay off the books.

If an employer gets audited by the IRS he could go to prison for tax evasion and failure to withhold.

It's easy to tell which posters have never had to make payroll.

Still laughing?

[FBD]

>"If you want to decrease the workload, enact President Bush's guest laborer plan."<

-Rod, a security fence/wall would help decrease the border agents workload as well. I can't understand why you wouldn't want to help make the border patrol officers job less difficult, and more effective at stopping people from entering the country outside of a legal port of entry

Hey Marine Inspector, if a fence were built; (in at least the most vulnerable areas) wouldn't it drastically cut down on the number of people sneaking across the border?

[raybbr]

I notice you always use examples of mexicans in your cute little stories. Do you care about any other illegals or are you just focused on mexicans?

[bayourod]

I have no objection to building a fence except that it is a Trojan horse issue that no responsible legislator would support.

Fences have been useful in high population areas but haven't completely stopped illegals even where there are guards almost shoulder to shoulder and more flood lights than a new car lot. People climb them in sight of the guards and try to outrun them. Some get caught and some don't. In urban areas there are even tunnels dug under the fences.

In desolate areas where the nearest guard may be miles away and there are no lights, fences will just be cut or torn down and stolen.

Fences for desolate areas are false solutions put forth by scam artists trying to con people with lower intelligence or emotional issues into sending money (or in Buchanan's case, to undermine Bush's base)

[Marine Inspector]

Yes. It worked in California.