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A note on the Armanious case
jihadwatch.org ^ | January 24, 2005 | www.jihadwatch.com

Posted on 01/24/2005 9:07:31 PM PST by indcons

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To: indcons

arab and persian moslems that i've known in los angeles tend to identify with american blacks, even tho' they come from the middle or upper classes of mid-east countries and have sought safety for their monies in the states.


they feel discriminated against on historical grounds of colonization.

copts that i've known tend to be, in contrast to moslems, quieter. they keep a lower profile because of historical persecution by moslems in egypt.

but in contrast to moslems, whom i've known by scads, i've only known one copt family. he was my egyptian hierogyphics teacher in college. he did not teach. he said next to nothing.

when the egyptian copt family had their baby a local church provided assistance because the mother knew nothing about infant care.

copts are not allowed to participate in egyptian society.


41 posted on 01/25/2005 6:42:15 AM PST by ken21 (4 as much time as u spend on the internet, u cd have several college degrees--daisy noonan)
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To: ken21
These Arabs and Persians who perceive themselves as victims are deluded. Islam was spread via colonialism and ethnocide. Religious minorities were coerced and persecuted into conversion and Dhimmi status.
You tell them to pick up a history book and read. Islam was not spread by Captain Kangeroo. People were not converted by singing Barney songs.
42 posted on 01/25/2005 6:56:48 AM PST by Marano NYC
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To: Marano NYC

that's right.

but see how the american left's "victimhood" is spread around the world, convenient to hate whitey and the abstract big, bad america in general.


43 posted on 01/25/2005 7:01:35 AM PST by ken21 (4 as much time as u spend on the internet, u cd have several college degrees--daisy noonan)
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To: indcons
But in the media in general there has been no understanding of this and no discussion of the Sharia or of how apostates in Islam are to be treated, or of what punishment is to be meted out to those who dare (as the Armanious family dared) not to act as the despised and cowed minority they were in Egypt, but as free and equal and proud citizens of this country.

Shame on our stalwart guardians of equal rights - the mainstream media & civil rights industry - for ignoring this watermark tragedy.

If they don't stand against what really is brutal oppression, at last a modern example of a real lynching and clear example of what they adoringly call a 'hate crime' - their self proclaimed raison d'etre - WTH good are they?

Worthless pretenders.

44 posted on 01/25/2005 7:20:49 AM PST by skeeter (OBL "Americans" won't honor any law that interferes with their pocketbooks)
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To: jan in Colorado

Jan:

Hopefully the AG will let all the facts be known in due time.

Sadly, I do not see that happening as all the politicos are worried that might cause people to see islam as something other than a 'religion' of 'peace'.

In the end, as we well know, this is pulling a Neville Chamberlain appeasement act---getting the people to believe that 'peace' with the islamofascists will exist 'in our time' This will only cause further and larger problems down the road.

Hopefully the Copts will make sure that the truth comes out for all to see, so that folks can make up their own minds.


One can hope for that, at least....


FAS


45 posted on 01/25/2005 11:12:57 AM PST by fastattacksailor (This tagline under serious consideration!)
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To: fastattacksailor; Dark Skies; Fred Nerks
I agree sailor,

The appeasement and political correctness that has taken over our culture will be our Countries downfall.

One advantage we have now is the MSM no longer has complete dominance in what news is covered and exposed.

We now have other methods to get the message out.

We need to say it loud and clear and often.

Never forget 9/11 and never forget who celebrated in the streets afterwords.
That alone keeps me fired up to get the message out!
46 posted on 01/25/2005 11:32:20 AM PST by jan in Colorado (Never Forget! Never Retreat! Never Give Up!)
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To: jan in Colorado

Amen!

We must NEVER Forget---or we WILL repeat!

Of course, there are still those apologists here that think that Islam is sooooo peaceful that it's misunderstood. The ones that claim that not trusting islam makes us racists.....

*sigh*


47 posted on 01/25/2005 11:54:18 AM PST by fastattacksailor (This tagline under serious consideration!)
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To: fastattacksailor; Dark Skies; Fred Nerks; Former Dodger; Incandesia
The funny thing is the apologists who make these false accusations of racism and bigotry, really have no idea what they are talking about.

Islam isn't a race it is a political ideology masquerading as a religion.

A bigot is a person who is blindly attached to an opinion. Most of those here who have questioned the practices and teachings and motivations of Islam are not doing it blindly. We have good reasons and just cause to question what motivates Islam and what its intentions are in this Country.

Anything that resists being exposed to the light, and refuses to be challenged or questioned, sets off some red flags that more then justify criticism and further investigation.
48 posted on 01/25/2005 1:41:08 PM PST by jan in Colorado (Never Forget! Never Retreat! Never Give Up!)
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To: Incandesia

Chemistry Geek should be along soon spreading his deceptions and falsehoods and trying to defend the indefensible.


49 posted on 01/25/2005 1:49:41 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: jan in Colorado

An excellent point that no doubt will fall on some deaf ears.

Typical of the left is the desire to claim bigotry and racist---just to attempt to stifle free speech and opinion.


Certain people on this thread have attempted it for even more sinister reasons, or so I think.


Imagine this: A person that posts at FR who is actually a person looking to shut FR down---if they claim racism enough, that could very possible give others the reason, evenwithout any merit, to do so.

This would be awful by virtue of not only being a lie---but also by squelching freedom of speech.


In a larger, NATIONAL sense, if someone were too intimidated to report a 'odd' happening(s) for fear of being labelled as such--we might end up with another 9/11.


And THAT is frightening........


50 posted on 01/25/2005 1:49:55 PM PST by fastattacksailor (This tagline under serious consideration!)
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To: justshutupandtakeit

See the following:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1327823/posts?page=58#58

post 54

It says pretty much how I feel about the troll


51 posted on 01/25/2005 1:52:44 PM PST by fastattacksailor (This tagline under serious consideration!)
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To: jan in Colorado; Fred Nerks; USF
The funny thing is the apologists who make these false accusations of racism and bigotry, really have no idea what they are talking about.

If the accusation of bigotry were accurate, it would be a reasonable and, possibly, effective defense. Since, in this case, it is untrue, it is only a personal attack masquerading as a legitimate defense.

The best defense against a personal attack is to either ignore it and let it be seen for what it is or respond calmly with an empirical argument.

In this case, it strikes me that the accuser knows the accusation is unfounded but, with no way of winning the argument legitimately, the accuser is trying to destroy the debate itself by reducing it to a name calling contest (which is a victory of sorts).

52 posted on 01/25/2005 2:04:08 PM PST by Dark Skies ("The sleeper must awaken!")
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To: fastattacksailor
>>>>>In a larger, NATIONAL sense, if someone were too intimidated to report a 'odd' happening(s) for fear of being labeled as such--we might end up with another 9/11.<<<<

That is what the left and political correctness are doing to this great Country. They are infringing on our freedom to speak out; attempting to label it 'hate" speech. Since when is speaking the truth "hate" speech?

When the truth is something that is threatening to a particular ideology or agenda, that's when.
53 posted on 01/25/2005 2:08:54 PM PST by jan in Colorado (Never Forget! Never Retreat! Never Give Up!)
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To: Dark Skies

Cooler heads prevail. LOL


54 posted on 01/25/2005 2:12:14 PM PST by jan in Colorado (Never Forget! Never Retreat! Never Give Up!)
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To: fastattacksailor

See my 53 on that thread. Are you currently on a sub?


55 posted on 01/25/2005 2:13:40 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: jan in Colorado

Really! The apologists can't win, so they are trying to ruin the debate, hoping that onlookers get bored and leave.


56 posted on 01/25/2005 2:17:51 PM PST by Dark Skies ("The sleeper must awaken!")
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To: Dark Skies

You know they can't ruin our debate because we have the Truth on our side. ;0)


57 posted on 01/25/2005 2:26:17 PM PST by jan in Colorado (Never Forget! Never Retreat! Never Give Up!)
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To: justshutupandtakeit

No, I'm retired.

:-(


58 posted on 01/25/2005 2:33:27 PM PST by fastattacksailor (This tagline under serious consideration!)
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To: fastattacksailor

My elder boy is finishing up Nuke training down in Charleston and will enter Prototype training this spring probably in NY state. He is sick of all the training since they are pumping knowledge in with a fire hose.


59 posted on 01/25/2005 2:58:46 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: indcons
Update on the NJ Massacre by Muslims

Please do not change titles.

60 posted on 01/25/2005 3:04:28 PM PST by Admin Moderator
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