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Double-Wide Divide: Critics say Perry's turnpike plans will take a terrible toll on Texans
HoustonPress.com ^ | January 13, 2005 | BY SCOTT NOWELL

Posted on 01/23/2005 2:48:01 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

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BobL referred me to this article on another thread. I was so impressed I decided to post it separately.
1 posted on 01/23/2005 2:48:04 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: 1rudeboy; 38special; Alamo-Girl; anymouse; ArmyBratproud; basil; Ben Chad; Ben Ficklin; ...

Trans-Texas Corridor PING!


2 posted on 01/23/2005 2:54:23 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Deport 'em all; let Fox sort 'em out!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks; BobL

BobL: Bob Lanier? I worked for him once.

Other than that, all I can ask is: who reads the Houston Press?

The Press had a routine policy of knocking the snot out of city government.

Funny...


3 posted on 01/23/2005 2:55:13 PM PST by Tarpaulin (Look it up.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Just another fisasco taking more land from citizens without thier approval.

Super Conducting Super Colliding Freeway/Monkey Fist..

4 posted on 01/23/2005 3:00:02 PM PST by DainBramage
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

"And those traffic needs on I-35 could be relieved for at least 20 years by adding two additional lanes, he says."
Time required to add two lanes? Probably 25 years.


5 posted on 01/23/2005 3:05:34 PM PST by Abcdefg
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To: Tarpaulin
"The Press had a routine policy of knocking the snot out of city government."

Big fan of Houston city government are ya? Bob Lanier wasn't he that guy who bought up land before he became head of the Metro system which eventually bought said land?
6 posted on 01/23/2005 3:08:44 PM PST by Texas_Jarhead (I believe in American Exceptionalism! Do you?)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

there's a lot more explaining that needs to be done.

for one thing, why is a foreign bidder necessary?

are we americans without venture capitalists? know-how to build freeways?

until i get further information--it appears to be an end run around the citizens who will pay for it.


7 posted on 01/23/2005 3:11:41 PM PST by ken21 (4 as much time as u spend on the internet, u cd have several college degrees--daisy noonan)
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To: Texas_Jarhead

I can't really call myself a "fan", but Bob did a much better job than Brown or White.

Czar Dr. Brown can take his "riderhood" and stick it where his son's City Hall carpets don't shine.

The Right Honorable Mayor White can take a tow truck to Moscow, IMHO.


8 posted on 01/23/2005 3:21:10 PM PST by Tarpaulin (Look it up.)
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To: ken21

That is one of the things that irks me about this project. They didn't pick an American bidder like Fluor Daniel.


9 posted on 01/23/2005 3:24:21 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Deport 'em all; let Fox sort 'em out!)
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To: Tarpaulin; BobL

I have no idea if BobL is this Bob Lanier you speak of.


10 posted on 01/23/2005 4:16:13 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Deport 'em all; let Fox sort 'em out!)
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Part of the new transportation code would allow tolls on any existing road, provided there's a non-toll alternative. Slotboom says turning roads already paid for into toll roads amounts to double taxation.

Absolutely criminal.

11 posted on 01/23/2005 4:19:12 PM PST by ikka
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
I own a copy of Slotboom's Houston Freeways. I bought it after marveling at Houston's freeway system as a visiting NY'er. The book is comprehensive and very well done.
12 posted on 01/23/2005 4:26:10 PM PST by hedgie
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To: ken21

Speaking strictly as an outside observor--the more that comes out about this project, the worse it smells. I'm all for innovation and private sector enterprise, but this reeks of corruption and I don't even know the players.


13 posted on 01/23/2005 4:41:35 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: hedgie

I bought it after marveling at Houston's freeway system as a visiting NY'er.



Can you explain a little of your marveling?... Was it at the constant construction, traffic jams, or maybe the double decking?


14 posted on 01/23/2005 4:48:29 PM PST by deport (It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others.)
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To: Abcdefg

When I moved to New Braunfels in 1990, it was a 4 Lane divided Highway to and from San Antonio. In less than 15 years it is 8 Lane NEW Freeway with the remaining congestion in New Braunfels and San Marcos between San Antonio and Austin. This should be completed within 2 years. I35 is Great, here, for now. I've already paid for it and don't think I should pay again. Could I get on this Ping List Please?


15 posted on 01/23/2005 5:44:30 PM PST by corbe (mystified)
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To: corbe

Of course you can. You will be added momentarily. :-)


16 posted on 01/23/2005 6:12:47 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Deport 'em all; let Fox sort 'em out!)
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To: corbe
I35 is Great, here, for now

I-35 between Austin and Dallas is horrible. Absolutely horrible. No matter the time of day, or day of the week, it is filled with trucks and cars. I used to save time driving to Austin for business. Now, it's actually quicker to drive to Dallas and take Southwest down and drive in from the way-the-hell-out Bergstrom Airport.

I don't know whether this toll road is a good idea or not, but Slotboom's "oh, just raise the gas tax ten cents" is arrogance in the extreme.

17 posted on 01/23/2005 6:29:47 PM PST by sinkspur ("How dare you presume to tell God what He cannot do" God Himself)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
I'm not (former mayor) Lanier. Take a look at some of my tirades on Muzzies, and you'll agree. Lanier is a pretty mellow dude, and I do respect the way he kept Houston from building a totally useless Light Rail, during his time has mayor. Houston wound up with, by far, the best functioning bus system for a major city. But, in the quest to become a "World Class City", they've gone the Light Rail route and are now letting their bus system wither on the vine, just as our Gov is about to do to our freeways, once he gets his toll road system in place.
18 posted on 01/23/2005 7:19:12 PM PST by BobL
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To: sinkspur
I don't know whether this toll road is a good idea or not, but Slotboom's "oh, just raise the gas tax ten cents" is arrogance in the extreme.

Texas' gas tax is 20 cents per gallon and a fourth of it is dedicated to education and the rest is dedicated to roads. If you redirected the school portion to roads and raised the total tax 10 cents per gallon, you would get about twice as much money for roads from the gas tax, given the relative inelasticity of gasoline demand.

On the Trans-Texas Corridor, should it be built, if they really charge the outrageous toll of 20 cents/mile, you would have the equivalent gas tax of 4 dollars per gallon, assuming you get 20 mpg, while on the TTC. That's in addition to the current 20 cents per gallon of gas tax.

By that back-of-the-envelope analysis, you might be better off just raising the gas tax to 30 cents per gallon, redirecting it all to roads, and getting on with improving the current roads and building some "free" bypasses.

Just a thought.

19 posted on 01/23/2005 7:22:42 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Deport 'em all; let Fox sort 'em out!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks; sinkspur

Even if the TTC crowd saw reason and decided to, say, charge 5 cents a mile for 100 years, you would still be paying the equivalen of a dollar-per-gallon gasoline tax on the road. I'm assuming, of course, that the tolls I've mentioned go for regular passenger vehicles. They will probably be higher for trucks.


20 posted on 01/23/2005 7:26:46 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Deport 'em all; let Fox sort 'em out!)
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