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21-January-2005 | Ron Pickrell

Posted on 01/22/2005 5:31:27 AM PST by pickrell

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To: ViLaLuz

I agree with you guys about Peggy Noonan. I don't why this usually thoughtful conservative went off on the deep end. Virtually all Americans believe in God, so what's wrong with talking about God in such a beautiful and uplifting way?

Perhaps Peggy is still upset that the sugary mess she wrote for the first President Bush in 1989 is considered one of the worst inaugural speeches in history.


21 posted on 01/22/2005 6:12:58 AM PST by heye2monn
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To: pickrell

Ron, great response. Dumb question - have you emailed it to her? I was going to send a response but figured those more eloquant, such as yourself, would be more apt to prick her heart.


22 posted on 01/22/2005 6:14:40 AM PST by time4good
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To: Embraer2004

I agree with you. IMHO the Democrat Party is guilty of of both treason and being traitors. There is no doubt in my mind that many in the Democrat Party have given comfort and aid to the enemy, and as a result, the USA has suffered many more military and civilian deaths and injuries then we would have if the Democrat Party was loyal to the United States of America. As for me, I am a take no prisoners Republican. I want to see the current Democrat Party destroyed at the ballot box forever. As for Peggy Noonan, this outburst about "too much God" is not new. Ms. Noonan, whom I admire greatly, has cuddled up closely to the Democrat liberals on the numerous occasions she has been on MSNBC. Like Joe Scarbourgh, she believes in sleeping with the enemy every once and awhile, sad to say.


24 posted on 01/22/2005 6:19:23 AM PST by JLAGRAYFOX
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To: Embraer2004
"Noonan falls in the wing of the GOP that believes that since we won, we have to be "nice" with the Dems and not shove God into their throats."

This is really the only way Peggy Noonans thoughts make any sense. During the election campaign she was so much pro-Bush and not against Kerry per se, but just against what the left stood for. I don't think she's changed her mind and gone to the dark side, so being 'nice' is the only logical explanation.

BTW, I wish she'd give up being nice to dems. Personally, I think that if you have demwits on the run you make them run till they drop. I can understand President Bush being nice to dims because his position requires diplomacy. Not so with the rest of us.

25 posted on 01/22/2005 6:22:25 AM PST by libs_kma (USA: The land of the Free....Because of the Brave!)
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To: Endeavor

I ditto your sentiment re: P.N.

After the official outdoors event ended, my thoughts were something akin to what she wrote......but my thoughts included the words of various speakers, rather than just the Prez. I am hoping that P.N. was inadvertently remiss in attributing her reaction uniquely to the Prez. Some of the others laid it on pretty thick, IMO.

This seems to be the paragraph that caused the uproar....had she chosen words other than "God drenched" and "invoked relentlessly", and attributed it to ALL who contributed to that impression, the uproar would be much less, at least as pertains to the Prez himself. JMO...

" The president's speech seemed rather heavenish. It was a God-drenched speech. This president, who has been accused of giving too much attention to religious imagery and religious thought, has not let the criticism enter him. God was invoked relentlessly. "The Author of Liberty." "God moves and chooses as He wills. We have confidence because freedom is the permanent hope of mankind . . . the longing of the soul."

http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/pnoonan/


26 posted on 01/22/2005 6:27:12 AM PST by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: pickrell

Someone definately needs to E-mail this to Peggy Noonan. I have always had great deal of respect for her as well as her "ear for a speech". I do however, believe she just flat missed the mark this time.


27 posted on 01/22/2005 6:32:49 AM PST by traderrob6
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To: nathanbedford

Methinks that Noonan wants to claim the John McCain chair of political punditry with the mainstream media.


28 posted on 01/22/2005 6:36:55 AM PST by Don'tMessWithTexas
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To: NHResident
Outstanding. Peggy seems to have followed Mo Dowdie down the path of bitterness with snide, ill-thought through commentary.

...and I think she is following yet another, but one who used to be a "true believer" in things right -- she seems to be pulling an Arianna Huffington; it's just too irresistible, it would seem, to gravitate toward all those Bordeaux and Brie soiree-goers, once you've jet-setted with them for a while.

29 posted on 01/22/2005 6:43:05 AM PST by Migraine
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To: pickrell

I think this is an article she will live to regret.


30 posted on 01/22/2005 6:43:31 AM PST by quesera (Thank you FR for being there for us on election night.)
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To: pickrell

Well done.


31 posted on 01/22/2005 6:44:45 AM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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To: ViLaLuz

It is quite OK with me for my President to be a fool for Jesus/God.


32 posted on 01/22/2005 6:46:27 AM PST by Coldwater Creek ('We voted like we prayed")
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To: tirednvirginia
Perhaps she's interviewing for a position as John McCain's speechwriter for his upcoming presidential campaign. LOL

You know, you might just be on to something.

33 posted on 01/22/2005 6:46:34 AM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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To: mariabush
"It is quite OK with me for my President to be a fool for Jesus/God."

OK here with me, too!

34 posted on 01/22/2005 6:55:23 AM PST by ViLaLuz
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To: JLAGRAYFOX
A caller on Fridays Mark Davis show out of Dallas speculated
that Peggy could be subconsciously worried that W is about to
overshadow RWR. She will remain one of my favorite writers and I'm betting she would love to have it back.
35 posted on 01/22/2005 6:56:13 AM PST by SAWTEX
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To: Don'tMessWithTexas
"Methinks that Noonan wants to claim the John McCain chair of political punditry with the mainstream media."

Absolutely NOT. And don't mess with me, Texas. I'm Texan born and bred. You've already voiced your inane opposition on the other Noonan thread. How about trying original thought? Might do you some good. Peg's one of us. Don't be so quick to slam her.

36 posted on 01/22/2005 7:00:38 AM PST by Endeavor
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To: SAWTEX

What did Mark have to say? When he was on the radio here in Memphis he could be pretty caustic.


37 posted on 01/22/2005 7:05:09 AM PST by Coldwater Creek ('We voted like we prayed")
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To: Embraer2004

"...not shove God into their throats."

That sounds like involuntary communion. Whatever it takes! Peggy's got her own little tempest in a teapot now, I hope she's happy.

And, btw, what the heck kind of a word is "heavenish"? One shouldn't just make up words, we've got lots of good ones already.


38 posted on 01/22/2005 7:22:09 AM PST by jocon307 (Ann Coulter was right)
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To: pickrell

BRILLIANT!

Noonan has always left me uncomfortable, although she seems universally adored among conservatives. I sense a sort-of stiff narcissism and obsession with style. But Reagan would not have, and Bush will not, be intimidated into her pointless 'sophistication.'

In any case, you said it all so poignantly, I could hardly add a thing -- Your essay deserves large exposure for many reasons.

As for Ms. Noonan, all that occurs to me is that "from the mouth comes the overflow of the heart." And perhaps, way back then, Ronald Reagan was writing her speeches.

Mrs. Esopman


39 posted on 01/22/2005 7:25:53 AM PST by esopman (Blessings on Freepers Everywhere)
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To: Endeavor

She was pretty quick to slam GW. I would guarantee that the left relishes the notion of using her critique of GW's speech against him. Just like they relish using McCain's critiques. Boxer will no doubt say from the floor of the Senate: "even conservative commentators, such as Peggy Noonan, feel that President Bush mentions God too much." Giving ammo to your opponents is a direct result of a violation of Reagan's Eleventh Commandment. If you find such a position inane, your mind needs to be messed with.


40 posted on 01/22/2005 7:32:51 AM PST by Don'tMessWithTexas
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