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What Is Bush Saying? (Speech confused even William F. Buckley Jr.)
National Review Online (may require subscription) ^ | January 21, 2005 | William F. Buckley Jr.

Posted on 01/21/2005 12:29:43 PM PST by baseball_fan

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To: MisterRepublican

Who know? Who ever really knows?


261 posted on 01/21/2005 4:24:59 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (© 2004, Ravin' Lunatic since 4/98)
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To: Vicomte13
...Bush just squarely and specifically declared that he, personally, is a Neocon, that he himself, personally, believes in nation building.

During the 2000 presidential debates, Bush clearly said that he did not believe in nation building, "...I don't think our troops ought to be used for what's called nation-building.". So what is this change of heart about? Did Bush decide, in the wake of 911, that Gore was right? Was Gore a Neocon all along and Bush only a recent convert? If this were Kerry, we would call it a flip-flop. But its Bush, so we read into it what we want.

262 posted on 01/21/2005 4:27:42 PM PST by lucysmom
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To: Eva
that fear of Chavez has not prevented a full boil of revolt?

Not exactly. Chavez was removed and promptly returned to power.

263 posted on 01/21/2005 4:32:40 PM PST by lucysmom
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To: js1138
It's just amazing to hear liberals oppose efforts to bring democracy to the world.

Why would we bring Democracy to the world when we, ourselves, are not a Democracy but a Republic? I find it endlessly irritating to hear our leaders praising the merits of Democracy and wonder why we shouldn't have that here if its all that wonderful. End of rant - thanks for reading.

264 posted on 01/21/2005 4:43:11 PM PST by lucysmom
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To: rwfromkansas
The speech wasn't foncusing. If Buckley doesn't know what "matchless value" means, he is a moron.

I didn't particularly like the speech, but I do agree that "matchless value" is rather clear to me. Perhaps infinitely precious would be better, but not appropriate for a political speech.

265 posted on 01/21/2005 4:45:22 PM PST by independentmind
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To: MisterRepublican
Mr. Buckley is a master with words. I did not get the impression he was denying anyone their right to fully delight and celebrate President Bush's inauguration speech. Nor did I perceive Mr. Buckley as being "negative" on the speech. He is expressing his wish that the President elevate the language level slightly so that those who can comprehend the very subtle difference, say "protect the US' from "guard against emerging threats" -- would be able to spring to his side, and also so that the usual lefty wordsmithies would stop finding "nuance" and or liberal-created holes by which to poke at President Bush.

"guard" from emerging threats" is more specific, agressive, and pre-emptive than "protect from emerging threats". The former involves high tech and far superior intel capacities; whereas the latter is less pre-emptive and implies a shield.

The libs, while they figure out their reactive "super-secret" plan to fight President Bush's speech, are rhubarbing currently about the word "freedom" just to divert the masses. Of course, that could have been President Bush's plan, teehee, all along and the liberals fell right into it. :) IMHO, of course.

266 posted on 01/21/2005 5:17:57 PM PST by Alia
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To: what's up

"You can simmer in resentment, but not in tyranny."
Why not? What's wrong with that phrase? Sheesshh

What Bush meant was "simmer in resentment...[in the midst of] tyranny."

Why is Buckley so confused? I'm not all that smart, and I can easily understand stuff like this.

I once turned on Sean Hannity on the radio driving home from work, and there was a guy talking with Hannity who sounded like a drunk using big words. After listening for a little while, I realized it wasn't a drunk...it was Bill Buckley!


267 posted on 01/21/2005 5:21:40 PM PST by Dark Glasses and Corncob Pipe (14, 15, 16...whatever!)
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To: kjam22

This particular argument: Spreading democracy is directly opposite the Liberal/Socialists proposal to remove all arms from all citizens, globally, in order to "control" terrorism. I got a choice. I vastly prefer the Bush plan. It restates the tenets of our Constition and Bill of Rights, and in his speech he makes clear the goal is NOT to remake any country in the image of the US -- but rather to lay the groundwork of a free nation, ours, for the people of each country to define their own constitution. Which is, of course, a royal pisser to those pushing the EU, of which Saddam, of course, was assisting.


268 posted on 01/21/2005 5:22:19 PM PST by Alia
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To: ClearCase_guy
The whole "hubris" talking points lemming agenda. It's their attempt to tell the world that the US doesn't have what it takes, techwise, moneywise, etc. The lefties worked hard to belittle the US JUST to make the outraged countries feel so much better about themselves. And are thereby setting the stage so that as the US does deploy its newer arsenal, both tactical and strategic, the left can be ready to assert that "Bush Lied and Didn't Tell Us We had Bought This Stuff". More of the anti-nuke, anti-Salt treaties stuffola.

The stage is definitely getting set up.

269 posted on 01/21/2005 5:25:39 PM PST by Alia
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To: ClearCase_guy
The whole "hubris" talking points lemming agenda. It's their attempt to tell the world that the US doesn't have what it takes, techwise, moneywise, etc. The lefties worked hard to belittle the US JUST to make the outraged countries feel so much better about themselves. And are thereby setting the stage so that as the US does deploy its newer arsenal, both tactical and strategic, the left can be ready to assert that "Bush Lied and Didn't Tell Us We had Bought This Stuff". More of the anti-nuke, anti-Salt treaties stuffola.

The stage is definitely getting set up.

270 posted on 01/21/2005 5:25:41 PM PST by Alia
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To: lucysmom

"During the 2000 presidential debates, Bush clearly said that he did not believe in nation building, "...I don't think our troops ought to be used for what's called nation-building.". So what is this change of heart about? Did Bush decide, in the wake of 911, that Gore was right? Was Gore a Neocon all along and Bush only a recent convert? If this were Kerry, we would call it a flip-flop. But its Bush, so we read into it what we want."

FDR also said that he would keep the US out of World War II, but Pearl Harbor changed everything, obviously.

Bush was absolutely sincere when he said he opposed "nation building" back then. But between then and now was September 11th, a disaster of even more enormous proportions than Pearl Harbor. More people died on 9/11, and most of them were civilians in the heart of America's premier city.

Since 9/11, we have been at war, and Bush has been tested. He has seen who the enemy is, where they are, and what they are willing to do. And based on all of that, he has changed his mind. It's as simple as that. Gore was willing to run off and get the US entangled in all sorts of foreign operations, to nation build for the sake of nation building. Bush was a much more reluctant warrior, and a traditional conservative back then, not wanting to become entangled in overseas affairs that were not central to US interests.

What has happened is that Bush has come to realize that nation-building in the Middle East IS essential for US national security. That peace IN AMERICA requires establishing governments dedicated to peace and civil liberties over there.

Gore was no Neocon. Where did he want to nation-build?
Africa. Pure adventurism. Expend American lives and treasure for what? Not American security. Would Gore have had the guts to invade Iraq and Afghanistan and try to nation build THERE, in the very heart of the Middle East, against that much European opposition? No way.
Bush didn't want to nation build at all, but has discovered that to have peace and security from Islamist terror attacks, he HAS to put America on a nation-building mission in the heart of the Middle East. This is not a flip-flop. It's a change of position based on brutal realities. But even if it IS a Bush flip-flop, it is a wise and intelligent one, in the nation's best interest.
Imagine if FDR had continued to try to keep the country out of war AFTER Pearl Harbor!?

Kerry, on the other hand, used to be a nation-builder. Now, when it is necessary, he shrinks from the task.
He is a flip-flopper, in the unwise direction.


271 posted on 01/21/2005 5:45:18 PM PST by Vicomte13 (La nuit s'acheve!)
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To: pepperdog

met=meant


272 posted on 01/21/2005 5:59:59 PM PST by pepperdog
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To: baseball_fan

What Is Bush Saying? When someone can confuse Bill Buckley, that's saying something.



I rarely read Buckley's written opinions and I am intolerate of his rhetorical style on radio and television.

I am confused why anyone cares what William F Buckley Jr. thinks and writes. But that's one micks opinion about another.


273 posted on 01/21/2005 6:05:01 PM PST by sully777 (our descendants will be enslaved by political expediency and expenditure)
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To: lugsoul
..."we can't be the world's policeman"...Quaint?

ROTFLMAO! Very well put!

274 posted on 01/21/2005 6:10:19 PM PST by meema
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To: zook

"You can simmer in resentment, but not in tyranny."

That statement alone tells me that the old man has lost it.



Technically, liquid simmers at a very specific temperature while resentment is an emotion that grows. I don't think it wise Buckley corrects the President's english.

IMO if Buckley thinks resentment cansimmer then the President can damn well have tyranny simmer too.

Buckley must be a hoot when he gathers with others in the salon, with a a fine Tipperillo and a brutus of Meisterbrau, discussing the merits of Carrollesque oddities in Through The Looking Glass.


275 posted on 01/21/2005 6:26:08 PM PST by sully777 (our descendants will be enslaved by political expediency and expenditure)
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To: baseball_fan

There is an old saying that may apply in this case: "Educated beyond one's intelligence."


276 posted on 01/21/2005 6:29:09 PM PST by Binghamton_native
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To: baseball_fan
Buckley and Noonan have been inside the beltway way too damn long.

They obviously don't understand that President Bush is driven by a desire to be One with Christ.

277 posted on 01/21/2005 6:46:19 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (PEST/Suicide Hotline 1-800-BUSH-WON)
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To: Blowtorch
Contribute...oratorical, elucidating...very impressive word usage.

Glad to see you appreciate high school level diction, except for the elementary "contribute".

278 posted on 01/21/2005 7:57:19 PM PST by rmgatto
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To: NJ Neocon
Give you a break about what? That I'm glad you're not the President? It's the absolute truth.

Oh, and, assuming that you're telling the truth about working hard to get the President reelected, you sure didn't give him long to stop supporting him, did you?

Not even past the Inaugural ceremony............

279 posted on 01/21/2005 8:31:49 PM PST by ohioWfan (Have you PRAYED for your President today?)
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To: mlc9852
What has happened in Afghanistan is nearly miraculous.

The leftists (and a few malcontents around here) seem to forget all about that.

Iraq is messier because of all the terrorists who have filtered in from other countries, but it's going to be a success story too.

Anyone who judges this President harshly on this speech (whether it be Noonan, Buckley, or joeblowfreeper), does not grasp the vision.

280 posted on 01/21/2005 8:35:50 PM PST by ohioWfan (Have you PRAYED for your President today?)
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