Faith a factor in [Illegal] migrants' treks

Alameda Times Star ^ | 1/15/05 | By Anabelle Garay

[madprof98]

Strangers No Longer: Together on the Journey of Hope

[TexasCowboy]

This is a simple spin story to appeal to the hearts of the Conservative base that put GW in office.

"If you believe in God then you must believe in letting these poor people in."

[Cultural Jihad]

_OK:
Is the Catholic Church encouraging illegal immigration from Mexico to the U.S.?
I suspect it is.
I'm not trying to rip on any individual Catholics, but I want to know the official stance of the Catholic church on illegal immigration.

Nero tried to shut them down, too. Good luck Emperor!

[FBD]

That was a very bizarre answer.
I asked a simple question.
I don't know the answer, I don't expect someone like you to give it either.

But given your politically correct posts of the past about Islam... I suppose that's the best you can do.

"Political Correctness is the handmaiden of terrorism".

[Cultural Jihad]

33. Both of our episcopal conferences have echoed the rich tradition of church teachings with regard to migration. Five principles emerge from such teachings, which guide the Church's view on migration issues.

I. Persons have the right to find opportunities in their homeland.
34. All persons have the right to find in their own countries the economic, political, and social opportunities to live in dignity and achieve a full life through the use of their God-given gifts. In this context, work that provides a just, living wage is a basic human need.

II. Persons have the right to migrate to support themselves and their families.
35. The Church recognizes that all the goods of the earth belong to all people. When persons cannot find employment in their country of origin to support themselves and their families, they have a right to find work elsewhere in order to survive. Sovereign nations should provide ways to accommodate this right.

III. Sovereign nations have the right to control their borders.
36. The Church recognizes the right of sovereign nations to control their territories but rejects such control when it is exerted merely for the purpose of acquiring additional wealth. More powerful economic nations, which have the ability to protect and feed their residents, have a stronger obligation to accommodate migration flows.

IV. Refugees and asylum seekers should be afforded protection.
37. Those who flee wars and persecution should be protected by the global community. This requires, at a minimum, that migrants have a right to claim refugee status without incarceration and to have their claims fully considered by a competent authority.

V. The human dignity and human rights of undocumented migrants should be respected.
38. Regardless of their legal status, migrants, like all persons, possess inherent human dignity that should be respected. Often they are subject to punitive laws and harsh treatment from enforcement officers from both receiving and transit countries. Government policies that respect the basic human rights of the undocumented are necessary.

39. The Church recognizes the right of a sovereign state to control its borders in furtherance of the common good. It also recognizes the right of human persons to migrate so that they can realize their God-given rights. These teachings complement each other. While the sovereign state may impose reasonable limits on immigration, the common good is not served when the basic human rights of the individual are violated. In the current condition of the world, in which global poverty and persecution are rampant, the presumption is that persons must migrate in order to support and protect themselves and that nations who are able to receive them should do so whenever possible. It is through this lens that we assess the current migration reality between the United States and Mexico.

[FBD]

Thanks for giving me that info:


http://www.nccbuscc.org/mrs/stranger.htm

[FBD]

thank you for an informative post.
Much better than than the last one to me.

Regards

[FBD]

madprof98 POST #21

http://www.nccbuscc.org/mrs/stranger.htm

It appears that to some degree the Catholic church does encourage migration. See Cultural Jihads post #25:

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" Persons have the right to migrate to support themselves and their families."

35. The Church recognizes that all the goods of the earth belong to all people. When persons cannot find employment in their country of origin to support themselves and their families, they have a right to find work elsewhere in order to survive. Sovereign nations should provide ways to accommodate this right."

[TexasCowboy]

"The Church recognizes that all the goods of the earth belong to all people."

Hummm.......sounds very similiar to, "From each according to his ability and to each according to his need."

[FBD]

Well.... yes it does, doesn't it?

Excellant observation, T.C.

[FBD]

[TexasCowboy]

LOL!

Great graphic, and it tells the story:

[FBD]

sometimes a cartoon can say more than, well... a thousand words!

[JustAnotherSavage]

There was a recent article that said just that, that the church encourages migration and that many churches here "help" the immigrees.


"Religion is their spiritual passport in the absence of authorization," she said. "They get sanctioned by God to do this."

As far as I'm concerned, this sounds like the same excuse the islamofasicts use.

[k2blader]

And I suppose their "faith" condones breaking the laws of neighboring countries.

[JustAnotherSavage]

Yeah, they're not real concerned with that "no coveting" thy neighbor, are they?

[JustAnotherSavage]

Another recent news item:


Every day as many as 4,000 illegal immigrants cross the border into Arizona, and you pay for it in ways you might not even think.

The 5 i-Team's Chris Hayes broke down the numbers to see just how much of the tab you're picking up.

Every minute, at least one immigrant crosses the border into Arizona.

They're coming here for a new life, and while most might be looking for better jobs here, many are also finding benefits we all pay for.

Small business owner Velia Guethe said, "I think about the hospitals and the schooling."

Guethe just opened a small coffee shop in Guadalupe called Coffee De Mexico.

Guadalupe is a small town of just one square mile -- located between Phoenix and Tempe, at the base of South Mountain.

Guethe told us she understands Mexican immigrants are just doing what's best for their families, but she worries about the expense.

"I do want them to help us with the burden cost of all these expensive things."

Like health care.

John Rivers of the Arizona Hospital and Healthcare Association told us, "This is a problem for every hospital in Arizona."

At Senator Jon Kyle's request, his organization calculated the cost to Arizona hospitals for treating illegal immigrants at 31 million dollars in just one year.

That $31 million would pay for more than the cost of a new trauma center here in the valley.

And Rivers said the expense could be much more.

"That's a bare minimum number. The truth is, nobody knows what the number is, I mean we can estimate, but frankly it's not much more than a wild guess."

Lupita Martinez is a valley restaurant owner who thinks about the costs often.

But she says she also may benefit from illegal immigration.
She suspects illegal workers are the only ones willing to accept her starting pay of $8 dollars an hour.

She demands legal documentation, but she thinks many workers can easily get fake documents -- just as they would do to apply for Welfare.

And according to the Center for Immigration Studies, Welfare payments, including food stamps to Illegal immigrants in Arizona cost us $4,698,000 in 2001.

That's enough to put away more than 250 prisoners for a full year.

There's another expense you've probably never imagined.

Tucked behind a familiar stretch of I-10, and right across from one of Phoenix's most popular resorts is an indigent burial ground.

Many of the grave sites are marked John Doe or Jane Doe.

They're likely illegal immigrants who died shortly after coming to the United States.

In the last five years Maricopa County alone has buried 100 unidentified people at an estimated cost of more than $197,000. That's enough to pay the five year salary for any one of the more than twenty Maricopa County jobs now open.

Immigrants say they pick up some of the costs themselves.

The 5i-Team attended an English class in which more than 20 immigrants attended.

The students told us they were restaurant employees, mechanics and other low wage workers.

From their perspective, they pay taxes and many times can't take advantage of the services.

They say they can prove we can't afford life without them.

http://www.kpho.com/Global/story.asp?S=2537000&nav=DIH7Ssy8

KPHO-Phoenix Az, Jan. 14, 2005

[FBD]

see T.C.'s #29:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1322897/replies?c=29

[jmc813]

The Church recognizes the right of sovereign nations to control their territories but rejects such control when it is exerted merely for the purpose of acquiring additional wealth. More powerful economic nations, which have the ability to protect and feed their residents, have a stronger obligation to accommodate migration flows.

Explain to me how this is not socialism.

[Regulator]

The illegal alien Tsunami, obliterating our shores...what a metaphor.

Well, we've been calling it a "tidal wave" for some time now, but I guess only in the aftermath of the Indonesian wave will people have a stark enough image to make the consequences seem real: A Nation Drowned.