ET Visitors: Scientists See High Likelihood

Space.com ^ | 14 January 2005 | Leonard David

[JTHomes]

Where are they? As cool as we think we are with our plasma TVs and stuff, I'd guess a billion year advanced civilization probably would find us less interesting than our studying fungus growing on a log. Probably more interesting specimens elsewhere. Hardly worth a quick flyby.

[JTHomes]

If nothing - NOT A DAMN THING among all the waves and/or particles in the universe has ever been seen to travel (convey information, strictly speaking) faster than light

Perhaps a blind man might argue that nothing can travel faster than the speed of sound. There may be mediums we cannot detect with our current understanding of the physical universe.

[Kevin OMalley]

".... Hardly worth a quick flyby."

In a way, thinking that our planet would be interesting enough would qualify as a form of self-aggrandizing arrogance, wouldn't it?

[vannrox]

"WHy haven't they made contact?"

They have.
Are sheep aware that they are being farmed? Are cattle aware that they are being driven to the slaughter? Are pigs aware about what constitutes bacon? I think not.

All that we know of is the fence that surrounds us. It's a shiny fence for sure. It has barbs on the top and it's poles are dug deep. Past the fence is a large but boring field. There is a farmhouse in the distance. Oh we see the gate, and every now and then we see a glimpse of a farmer near the gate.

Every now and then we hear of one of our co-cattle walking with the farmer. Then they are gone. But not to worry. We have plenty of hay in our yard. We live in a stable and predictable yard. We are safe in our pen.

Oh, I know that some of the cattle complain. They say that the farmer really exists. But I myself have never seen the farmer, so I know that this isn't true. Besides there is nothing out past the fence. And the distance between the fence and the farmhouse is too large.

We all know that it is possible to go outside of the yard. Afterall, "Ol" Betty went there back in 1969. She left a bell there. We all saw her open the gate and take afew steps and then return. She said that it was very scary, but exciting at the same time. She said that there wasn't any grass there. Just dust. And strange tracks in the road. Nothing that anything we would be interested in.

We are being farmed.

[Kevin OMalley]

Zon, I did not understand your first attempt at explaining the origin of the universe due to the misspelling. It made no sense to me.

First Attempt
"Rather, conscious being in a different universe set the initial conditions of the big bang."

Second Attempt
"Conscious beings living in another universe set the initial conditions for the big bang to cause a life-bearing Universe.. "


Your position falls under my second query, "by some other venue such as Divine Intervention." Only you just don't let us know if you think it's divine beings. But it's obvious you think there was some kind of intervention involved.

Why downshift into labelling & name-calling so quickly? If you look through the thread, you'll see the problem was not myopia, it was misspelling.

[Quix]

I don't recall enough of your posts at the moment to say whether you suffer from "myopic stubbornness indeed," or not.

You do seem to suffer from paragraph aversion.

I usually decline to read paragraphs longer than 5-7 lines without eye relieving white space.

I've always felt that the Drake equation was RELIGION-OF-SCIENCE glorified mumbo jumbo speculation of little practical value. I've always felt SETI was a smoke-screen and make-work program. We have likely never needed SETI at all. Why listen to far stars when we have visitors working with us here. At least it didn't seem like anywhere near a priority given other raging needs.

I believe you are in serious error about the Christian (and Jewish, for that matter) faiths.

Certainly Faith is required. Scripture is clear that faith is required to please God. And, 'The Just shall live/walk by faith.'

However, OUR FAITH IS BUILT ON A SOLID, LOGICAL, DEMONSTRATED FOUNDATION. And, it is OFTEN testable.

The prophets and followers of Baal found that out in vivid terms with the prophet Elisha.

Similar but MORE DRAMATIC tests will become relatively common place in our era.

Children younger than 10 will be challenging groups of people to CHOOSE THIS DAY, WHOM YOU WILL SERVE and then proving that faith in Almighty God; Jesus THE CHRIST results in demonstrated Holy Spirit empowered benefits and even miracles on HIS schedule and priority criteria.

Evil doers will be falling right and left while authentic, servant-hearted, humble Believers will be protected and even given banquets in front of hungry evil doers trying to destroy the believers to no effect.

Rain will be started and stopped at a word from the person of God--even children.

Earthquakes will be loosened and stopped at the word of the person of God.

The most powerful arms and military forces of the AntiChrist will be neutralized on occasion by the word of the person of God in the local area.

Angel armies will be manifested overtly at the word of the person of God.

Heavenly dramas and super natural earthly dramas will be invited or forewarned about by the person of God in that area.

Ours is an era such as has never before occurred in all of Creation in all of recorded and forgoteen history.

Buckle your seat belts. Sumatra was just the faint hint of the beginning notification of the start to commence of the introduction to such events.

In other words, you ain't seen 'nothin, yet.

[Quix]

I think you are exceedingly wrong.

Evidently more than 70 different ET races find observing the bootcamp training of their future rulers to be fascinating and of significant import, indeed.

Perhaps you don't believe God when He talks about Believers ruling and reigning with Christ--evidently throughout countless galactic clusters and endless ages future.

[Quix]

Not when

ALMIGHTY GOD

HAS DECREED THAT IT IS STAGE 1

OF THE CRUCIAL, CRITICAL EVENTS HAVING GREAT IMPACT ON

ALL

CREATION.

"ALL CREATION GROANS EXPECTANTLY, EAGERLY AWAITING, YEARNING FOR THE MANIFESTATION OF THE SONS OF GOD."

Sounds like God knows exactly what He's doing and HAS CHOSEN this as the fulcrum, key stage for the key dramas from CALVARY and the empty tomb to Christ's setting foot on the Mt of Olives and cleaving it precisely where Shell Oil found the faults exactly as Scripture says the mountain will split and as far as Scripture says it will split.

[Quix]

Some people actually think so.

I don't.

At least . . . not like some think. I don't think God would allow much of that for long.

[I Gig Gar]

I like to think we are being visted, or soon will be visted by little green men, but we're not...And here is why (From an EXTREMELY simple and ignorant point of view...Please feel free to correct me)...

For them to come to us, they would have to travel at faster than light speeds. And if they did that, they could time-travel. And if they could time-travel, they would have been here by now.

The same goes for us and why I don't think we'll ever be able to visit other worlds.

[Kevin OMalley]

I don't recall enough of your posts at the moment to say whether you suffer from "myopic stubbornness indeed," or not.
***Perhaps you should review them.

You do seem to suffer from paragraph aversion.
***I reviewed my posts and only found a couple that had paragraphs longer than 7 lines. I don't know what you're talking about.

I usually decline to read paragraphs longer than 5-7 lines without eye relieving white space.
***You could miss a lot with that approach.

I've always felt that the Drake equation was RELIGION-OF-SCIENCE glorified mumbo jumbo speculation of little practical value. I've always felt SETI was a smoke-screen and make-work program. We have likely never needed SETI at all.
***Does that mean you agree with me? Then why call me myopic? Especially when you say, "At least it didn't seem like anywhere near a priority given other raging needs."


Why listen to far stars when we have visitors working with us here.
***I'm with ya right up until this sentence. I would ask for evidence of such a strongly held belief system.


I believe you are in serious error about the Christian (and Jewish, for that matter) faiths.
***I suggest you click on my posts and do a search. You have been presented zero evidence for such a position. And then I cordially ask you to withdraw that statement in the name of decency under the Lord Jesus Christ.

[Quix]

According to those much more in the know than I am . . .

this old issue of faster than light and even the time travel issue

are as archaic and nonsense, phoney issues as . . .

the flat earth was way back when.

We shall see.

[Quix]

Uhhhhh,

I thought I was replying to Peter Philly with you as FYINFO.

Given that you had made the remark in post 180 about myopic to his post at 179--which was the multiparagraph post without white space.

I believe my comments about testable faith were also to Peter Philly.

I'd have thought you'd have realized that given that you FYI'd me when you responded to Peter Philly in post 180.

I have no need to follow your other instructions.

I'm weary of even discussing a lot of the ET stuff with folks rabidly hostile to the whole idea. There's very interesting, if not convincing evidence at the DISCLOSURE PROJECT site and especially on the DVD prepared for and used in Congressional presentation.

Help yourself.

I believe my close relative and others. That's enough for me.

I have no need to prove much of anything to you or others at this point. I share my opinions, beliefs, feelings as it seems fitting to me at the time given time, energy and whatever other priorities.

Cheers.

Happy you are a Believer, if I understand you correctly. Evidently, we should agree on a lot of things. Though hereon, that doesn't seem to logically follow near as much as I normally expect it to. LOL.

[Kevin OMalley]

I realized I should have copied Zon as well. I still have trouble understanding your position when it appears you agree with me, so why did you post #150?

[RightWhale]

If anybody is listening to Savage now, he is favoring a strong space program. He will lose his 13th place share of the New York market if he keeps this up.

[Quix]

You were noting zon had stubborn myopia in post 143.

I was agreeing with you on that score!

[Kevin OMalley]

Cool. Rom 5:11

[Quix]

Amen. THX.

[Kevin OMalley]

I thought this other FR thread was interesting, and the Drake Equation is linked interactively:




http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1314853/posts?page=86#31



To: RadioAstronomer; longshadow
Website with the Drake Equation. You plug in the factors, it calculates the result: the Drake Equation.
http://www.msnbc.com/modules/drake/default.asp


But they don't really explain what the Drake Equation is. This site does that: the Drake Equation.
http://science.howstuffworks.com/seti2.htm

31 posted on 01/05/2005 5:16:18 PM PST by PatrickHenry (The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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