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Disclaimers on evolution killed - "religion doesn't belong in the science classroom"
Atlanta Journal-Constitution ^ | January 14, 2004 | KRISTINA TORRES, BILL RANKIN with Mary MacDonald

Posted on 01/14/2005 1:52:17 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

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But Gerry Wheeler, executive director of the 56,000-member National Science Teachers Association, said Cooper got it right. "It's great news for the kids in Georgia," he said. "It's a strong signal that religion doesn't belong in the science classroom."

They never stop chipping away.

1 posted on 01/14/2005 1:52:18 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

People who behave like evolutionists are people with things to hide.


2 posted on 01/14/2005 2:08:02 AM PST by judywillow
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A federal judge ordered the immediate removal of evolution disclaimers from Cobb County textbooks Thursday because they convey an unconstitutional endorsement of religion.

So apparently this judge has determined that these evolution disclaimers ended up on these textbooks as a result of Congress making a law:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

3 posted on 01/14/2005 2:19:23 AM PST by judgeandjury
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This man is a moron - did he even study constitutional law? Clinton appointee and Harvard grad. What else do we need to know?


4 posted on 01/14/2005 2:37:06 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The parents of those children that are Christian should immediatley remove those children from the schools where this has happened. Christians should not be in a place where God is not welcome. End of story.


5 posted on 01/14/2005 2:54:08 AM PST by wastoute
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

If true then why is teaching atheism in Science class
permitted? What we have allowed is the very destruction of our society via tolerant neglect and ignorance of the
foundational principles. In short we have allowed the so
called educators supplant the church as the prophets
and moral teachersand having planted the wind we reap the
whirlwind.Reclaiming what has been lsot is always more difficult than hold onto what what was found.


6 posted on 01/14/2005 2:56:47 AM PST by StonyBurk
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
All my life it's been called.....

The theory of evolution

Somewhere along the way that phrase has been banned?????

Now it dare not be called 'theory'?

7 posted on 01/14/2005 3:24:07 AM PST by OldFriend (PRAY FOR MAJ. TAMMY DUCKWORTH)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The Secular Taliban strikes again


8 posted on 01/14/2005 3:38:57 AM PST by Gil4 (Home is where the Air Force sends me!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

But such idiots think it's quite wonderful

TO MAKE "SCIENCE"

A RIGID, NARROW, BIGOTED, INQUISITIONAL RELIGION.

SHEESH.

Hypocritical farts.


9 posted on 01/14/2005 3:43:08 AM PST by Quix (HAVING A FORM of GODLINESS but DENYING IT'S POWER. 2 TIM 3:5)
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Posted at least four times yesterday. Here's the first, and biggest, thread:
JUDGE RULES EVOLUTION DISCLAIMERS "UNCONSTITUTIONAL".
10 posted on 01/14/2005 4:00:09 AM PST by PatrickHenry (<-- Click on my name. The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I guess I'll be the only one here to say this is a good ruling (donning flame proof garb). Religion can be taught at Sunday School and Church. The classroom is the place for science.


11 posted on 01/14/2005 4:13:29 AM PST by Arkie2
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; KevinDavis; B4Ranch; PatrickHenry
I think this is an important case. If you read the disclaimer, it says nothing about religion, or Christianity, or the notion that the world is only 6,000 years old, or that we all descended from Adam, or intelligent design, or the Great Fall:
"This textbook contains material on evolution. Evolution is a theory, not a fact, regarding the origin of living things. This material should be approached with an open mind, studied carefully and critically considered."
To me this simply adds a healthy disclaimer to a textbook in a way that lets children know that scientists usually disagree. They're a argumentative, bickering lot.

This case doesn't have a leg to stand on, even in the scientific community. Every self-respecting scientist would say to himself, "Yes, all we can do is theorize about the origin of the species."

The judge is incompetent, and he proves to me, a believer in the notion of separation of church and state, that the judiciary is going to far with this whole notion.

We started out in the 1950s protecting Jewish people whose parents had been thrown into ovens. We didn't want to make them feel unwelcome here. Now we're down to crass blockage of public skepticism. When skepticism dies, so does freedom. To me, this is healthy skepticism denied by the state. It has no relationship to any reasonable interpretation of the first amendment - except in violation of its core principles.

12 posted on 01/14/2005 4:23:25 AM PST by risk
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I guess I'll be the only one here to say this is a good ruling...

How is this religious instruction? How do we know that aliens didn't come down to earth and perturb our genetic structure, for example? In what way does this sticker not suggest that?

I'm saying that this sticker means one thing and one thing only: evolution is a theory. It could go farther and say that every single piece of understanding we have about the world is theoretical at some level. Until we have an accepted, grand unified theory of everything, even simple things are up for debate - within reason. It's reasonable to remind students that evolution is a theory under those conditions.

What's disturbing to some teachers is that the fact that what most scientists think of as "evolution" happens between two generations within a single species. Fruit flies "evolve" from one generation to another. For children to be told that this is "just a theory" is sophistry.

On the other hand, the sticker seems to apply to the whole field of evolutionary biology, and anyone who has ever studied science knows that important ideas about phenomonology in science are all theoretical, in other words pieced together from separately proven facts and carefully explained assumptions.

13 posted on 01/14/2005 4:31:27 AM PST by risk
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If I'm not mistaken, the science texts refer to it as the theory of evolution. There's no need for the sticker and there was only one reason it was there. The creationists wanted it there.


14 posted on 01/14/2005 4:38:42 AM PST by Arkie2
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To: judywillow

If the evolutionists were confident that the evidence supported their position then they wouldn't be afraid to inform students of all the facts, not just the ones they like.


15 posted on 01/14/2005 4:40:08 AM PST by freedomfiter2
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What's materially wrong with a creationist wanting something in a textbook if it's a scientifically valid statement?


16 posted on 01/14/2005 4:50:32 AM PST by risk
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I don't see this as a battle between evolutionists and creationists. The ACLU is about as scientific as a shrew.


17 posted on 01/14/2005 4:53:46 AM PST by risk
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To: risk

I think you answered your own question.


18 posted on 01/14/2005 4:56:25 AM PST by Arkie2
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To: Arkie2

I agree....well said.


19 posted on 01/14/2005 4:59:19 AM PST by indcons (The Quran - the world's first WMD)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
the conservative movement is not the exclusive territory of christians. pursuing an anti-evolution agenda is as radical as the democrats pushing for gay marriage. it will legitimize labeling conservatives as "wacko nut-jobs".
20 posted on 01/14/2005 5:02:44 AM PST by thejokker
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