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MADD: Sobriety checks key to stopping drunken driving
AP ^ | 1-12-05 | Laurie Kellman

Posted on 01/12/2005 9:26:30 PM PST by Dan from Michigan

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Your papers please....

Outside of the border crossings - checkpoints are wrong. PERIOD.
A. 4th Amendment
B. Innocent till proven guilty.

And BTW - I don't DUI - last time I was borderline at a party and not walking home, I crashed there and drove home the next day.

1 posted on 01/12/2005 9:26:30 PM PST by Dan from Michigan
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To: Dan from Michigan

its times like these i seriously push the backing of DAMM

drunks against mad mothers.


2 posted on 01/12/2005 9:31:33 PM PST by KOZ. (Razom Nas Bahato!)
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To: Dan from Michigan

This is just another attack by the lefties of the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation to destroy the hospitality industry and institute a back door return to prohibition.

REJF took over MADD last year. RWJF is one of the prime financiers of smoking bans in bars and restaurants. In localities that get them passed, the funding is then switched to MADD.

I do not approve, at all, of drunk driving...but there is a thing as going too far in regard to prevention.


3 posted on 01/12/2005 9:32:30 PM PST by Gabz (Anti-smoker gnatzies...small minds buzzing in your business..............SWAT'EM)
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The RWJ Foundation jokers are a bunch of gun grabbers as well.


4 posted on 01/12/2005 9:33:16 PM PST by Dan from Michigan ("I can't name a single accomplishment of Debbie Stabenow." - Rep. Leon Drolet)
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To: Dan from Michigan
Agree with you 100%. We somehow survived the last 100 years without MADD, get them out of our lives.
BTW - The 5th amendment would apply as well. Also the assumption of guilt if you do not use their breathalizer or submit to a blood test is 100% bogus.
There are plenty of other charges to get a DUI on, speeding, reckless driving, running stop signs or red lights. Not doing any of the above? Then how do they constitute a danger?
5 posted on 01/12/2005 9:34:26 PM PST by ProudVet77 (If it's Saturday, I'm sailing!)
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If you're in favor of moving farther along the path toward living in an oppressive police state, then yeah, this is a good idea.


6 posted on 01/12/2005 9:34:44 PM PST by MCH
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I know about their gun grabbing ways as well, although I can't seem to pinpoint their financial interest in that as well as I can with the smoking and drinking.


7 posted on 01/12/2005 9:36:11 PM PST by Gabz (Anti-smoker gnatzies...small minds buzzing in your business..............SWAT'EM)
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To: ProudVet77
Correct. Well said!

Papieren, bitte!

8 posted on 01/12/2005 9:45:07 PM PST by SAJ
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To: Dan from Michigan

Roadside summary executions stop a lot of things. /sarcasm


9 posted on 01/12/2005 9:46:06 PM PST by agitator (...And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark)
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To: Gabz

David Hemenway is their main link. Tied to RWJ and also the Joyce Foundation.


10 posted on 01/12/2005 9:48:05 PM PST by Dan from Michigan ("I can't name a single accomplishment of Debbie Stabenow." - Rep. Leon Drolet)
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Not to mention Hememway is also tied to George Soros.


11 posted on 01/12/2005 9:48:37 PM PST by Dan from Michigan ("I can't name a single accomplishment of Debbie Stabenow." - Rep. Leon Drolet)
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Great idea. While we're at it we can also pat folks down for guns. And cigarettes and junk food. And hate literature. Hell, check points can be used to cure just about any social ill!


12 posted on 01/12/2005 9:49:54 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: SAJ
Thank you. I've worked 2nd shift during my career and know what it feels like. Had one of my guys thrown in jail. He worked 2nd shift and had a stammer. Took till the next afternoon to get him out.
13 posted on 01/12/2005 9:55:56 PM PST by ProudVet77 (If it's Saturday, I'm sailing!)
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Those weren't the type of financial interests I was thinking of regarding the gun grabbing......but may be the link.

My reference to smoking and drinking was toward pharmaceutical products. RWJF gets most of it's funding from Johnson&Johnson stock.....the makers of Nicotrol, the quit smoking product that makes you ill if you smoke with taking it. There is also a pharmaceutical product known as Anti-abuse (sp?) that makes one ill if they consume alcohol while taking it. I don't know if J&J makes that or a similar product, but it wouldn't surprise me.

The pharmaceutical industry's push against alcohol and tobacco are understandable because it gives them ample means of pushing their own products, which is why I was wondering about the gungrabbing stance. But I guess ties with other foundations, and wealthy gun grabbers could be behind that.


14 posted on 01/12/2005 10:16:27 PM PST by Gabz (Anti-smoker gnatzies...small minds buzzing in your business..............SWAT'EM)
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To: ProudVet77

That's disgusting.


15 posted on 01/12/2005 10:17:21 PM PST by Gabz (Anti-smoker gnatzies...small minds buzzing in your business..............SWAT'EM)
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And the guy they did it to was one of the nicest people you could imagine. All in the spirit of protecting us from ourselves.


16 posted on 01/12/2005 10:30:07 PM PST by ProudVet77 (If it's Saturday, I'm sailing!)
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I can't emphasize enough, that I don't condone drunk driving.........HOWEVER.......these things have totally gotten out of hand, IMHO. I mean, they couldn't tell the guy wasn't drunk, just tired? Stupid.

Earlier I was going to make a wisecrack about having a beer or 2 or more, and decided against it. After seeing your post about that guy, I'm glad I chose not to make it.

and on that note, I will bid you goodnight.


17 posted on 01/12/2005 10:34:00 PM PST by Gabz (Anti-smoker gnatzies...small minds buzzing in your business..............SWAT'EM)
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To: Dan from Michigan

The Second Amendment is key to stopping budding fascists.


18 posted on 01/12/2005 10:34:24 PM PST by LibWhacker
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The best way to further reduce alcohol-related traffic fatalities is to ...

...impose some stiff penalties on those that get convicted. Right now, just pay into the system of legal support, and all of those "mandatory" and "three strike" rules seem to evaporate!

One of the things that POs me no end is repeat drunk drivers, and I know several, and repeat violent felons. Why!

Of course hoping for any of that to change, one would be better served to place their hopes in Mecca being donated to Israel.

19 posted on 01/12/2005 10:40:05 PM PST by Fruitbat
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The RWJF is also a driving force behind the New Freedom Mental Health Initiative and its plans for widespread mental health screening in public schools.


20 posted on 01/12/2005 11:27:19 PM PST by Ken H
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