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U.S. demands Russia cancel proposed missile sale to Syria
Ha'aretz ^ | 13 January 2004 | Ha'aretz Service

Posted on 01/12/2005 2:50:05 PM PST by anotherview

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To: zencat

Syria is not an islamic country, while it is predominently muslim, it is run by socialists who are mostly atheists. Many Christians hold positions in the government. Like it or not, the same was true of Iraq (I'm not excusing Sodamn's insane crap) but now Christians in Iraq, who were once 10% of the population were given one ministry: immigration. Most are taking the hint and are getting out. So today, Iraq is more islamic then it was before. This is very unfortunet and is not getting much play from anyone (but they're Christians so who cares, right?)


21 posted on 01/12/2005 10:31:37 PM PST by jb6 (Truth = Christ)
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To: Centurion2000

Russia also sells weapons and oil to Israel and they lost the Egyptian and Jordanian and PLO markets to us. We supply Egypt with M1A1s and the same for the Jordanians and Saudies. State last week announced a little tax payer gift to the PLO of another $20 million, on top of the $60 million from last year. Gee, so nice of them to give a gift on my account. /sarcasm


22 posted on 01/12/2005 10:33:27 PM PST by jb6 (Truth = Christ)
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To: bill1952

Considering those are not anti-air missiles, it would do little to disparage their value if fighters blow them up. They are a land to land weapon system.


23 posted on 01/12/2005 10:35:15 PM PST by jb6 (Truth = Christ)
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To: anotherview
It's the SA-18 that's the issue:

Jan. 13, 2005 1:32 | Updated Jan. 13, 2005 4:56

Russian missile sale to Syria worries Israel, US

By HERB KEINON

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Israel anticipates that the US will use its leverage to help scuttle a Russian arms deal to Syria because of concern that sophisticated missiles would be smuggled into Iraq and endanger American troops there, senior diplomatic officials said Wednesday.

After two weeks of whispers and rumors about a crisis in Israeli-Russian ties, Israeli officials confirmed that the disagreement was over a large weapons deal to Syria that reportedly includes the Igla SA-18, among the most sophisticated shoulder-held anti-aircraft missiles on the market, and the Iskander-E ground-to-ground missiles.

Syrian President Bashar Assad is scheduled to visit Moscow on January 24 to sign the deal, the first major Russian weapons deal to Syria in more than a decade.

At the same time, Russian Defense Minister Sergey Ivanov on Wednesday dismissed reports that Russia had agreed to supply the missiles to Syria, but he left open the possibility. There are no restrictions on transfer of missiles of such ranges, Ivanov said.

The US came out publicly on Wednesday against the sale and said Washington would consider sanctions against Russia if it went ahead with the deal.

"We've seen the reports of the sale. US policy on this is very clear. We're against the sale of weaponry to Syria, against the sale of lethal military equipment to Syria, which is a state sponsor of terrorism. We think those kinds of sales are not appropriate. The Russians know about this policy.

They know about our views," State Department spokesman Richard Boucher said.

Asked what type of action the US might consider if Russia went ahead with the deal, Boucher said, "There are potential sanctions under US law. But that would have to be looked at if and when such a sale should occur."

US Secretary of State Colin Powell was scheduled to meet with Russian Defense Minister Sergey Ivanov later Wednesday in Washington.

Sources in Washington familiar with the discussions said Israel had raised the planned sale with American officials and expressed concern about it. It was not clear, however, when the matter was discussed or at what level.

A spokesman for the Israeli embassy in Washington, David Segal, said, "The reports [of the sale] are disturbing and of concern. We raise issues that have a strategic significance with the administration on an ongoing basis."

Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom, when asked by reporters about the matter Wednesday, said only, "We have close contacts with the Russians. We had consultations over the past few days, and we hope to reach the necessary agreement."

Shalom met Tuesday with visiting Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Alexander Saltanov and relayed to Moscow Israel's concern over the sale.

Officials in Jerusalem said Russia's interest in the deal stems from an effort to reassert its influence in the region. "For 30 years, Russia was involved in the Middle East on the basis of its giving away of weapons to the Syrians," one senior official said. "This is a way to again become a major player."

The official said Syria owes Russia some $8 billion for previous arms deals. This time, the official said, the Russians are demanding cash payment, and the expectation is that Iran will pay the bill.

Israel is concerned that the sale of the weapons could alter the strategic balance in the region, and is fearful of the prospect that the lightweight SA-18 could fall into the hands of the Hizbullah or other terrorist groups and be used to down Israeli aircraft.

Israeli officials said Jerusalem has been trying to solve the problem through quiet diplomatic channels for the last couple of weeks, maintaining tight secrecy regarding the reason for tense ties with Moscow.

24 posted on 01/12/2005 10:41:46 PM PST by jb6 (Truth = Christ)
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To: mvonfr

How have you come to the conclusion that this is because of Yushcenko?

I can hardly wait to hear this latest creation.


25 posted on 01/13/2005 12:29:28 AM PST by texasflower (Liberty can change habits. ~ President George W. Bush 10/08/04)
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To: zencat; jb6

If im not mistaken,Syria & Indonesia don't share any border with Russia & Indonesia doesn't not operate Mig-29s.

But I do understand your point about the logic for these actions-slight problem is that you should also think about similar American actions.F-16 Blk 60s for the UAE,new F-16s & possibly AWACS for Pakistan,PAC-3 missiles for Saudi Arabia & Egypt...I can go on & on .Inshort,America arms as many Slammics as Russia does,only difference being that the ones who buy Western weaponry are American stooges.


26 posted on 01/13/2005 12:42:54 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: jb6

I don't think the SA-18 would a big threat if you're talking about using it against attack helos or warplanes.In the hands of a terrorist,it's another ballgame altogether.In 2000,when Ehud Barak made peace overtures to Syria,it was reported that Damascus had sought to purchase the S-300 SAM system.If that deal went ahead,it would have led to Israel radically altering it's strategies.


27 posted on 01/13/2005 12:43:02 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: thoughtomator
Our support of a free election in the Ukraine is a result of earlier Russian actions - namely, the Oil-for-Food graft and Russian support for Saddam in the UNSC.

Are you saying that this was the motive? Why do you think so?

BTW, what is free about the elections when in some districts the vote for Yushchenko was approaching 97% and large groups of people were prevented from voting (like retired and diabled)?

28 posted on 01/13/2005 5:44:43 AM PST by A. Pole (Hash Bimbo: "Low wage is good for you!")
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To: Wolfstar
Our incoming Secretary of State is a Russia expert. If we are threatening sanctions on her watch, Putin better believe it.

She is not a Russia expert - she is a SOVIET expert trained during the Cold War. So she will try to bring Cold War back.

29 posted on 01/13/2005 5:46:20 AM PST by A. Pole (Hash Bimbo: "Low wage is good for you!")
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To: zencat
I don't understand why Russia insists on arming Islamic countries on their own boarders. Iran with the reactor, Syria with missiles.

Iranians are Shiites who are friendly to Russia (support for Wahabi Islamists in Chechnya come from Saudi Arabia and Georgia). Syria is the main remaining Arab secularist where the Christians have the most rights and freedoms.

How many churches are in Saudi Arabia or Turkey?

30 posted on 01/13/2005 5:50:35 AM PST by A. Pole (Hash Bimbo: "Low wage is good for you!")
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To: VRWCTexan
See Ezekiel - Chapter 38 - It was prophesied that Russia (Gog) in the last days would serve as the nation to arm Islamic nations preceding a massive invasion of Israel that would then be living in peace.

Another false Cold War myth. These prophesies were not intended to describe the events more than 2000 years later, they were related to Persians, Greeks, Anatolians etc of their time.

See The Nations of Ezekiel 38 - 39

31 posted on 01/13/2005 6:01:30 AM PST by A. Pole (Hash Bimbo: "Low wage is good for you!")
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To: A. Pole

I think it's a good part of the motive. The reason I think so is that we were unusually assertive in a place that we have traditionally left the Russians alone to deal with as they wish. Ultimately we supported a free election because we support freedom, but let's face it... we don't hold this standard consistently. What explains why Ukraine why now? Russian behavior provides what I judge to be the best explanation.


32 posted on 01/13/2005 6:27:40 AM PST by thoughtomator (Rooting for a Jets-Vikings Superbowl!)
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To: thoughtomator

We didn't support free elections in Azerbajan, but the dictator's son (by the way Aliev a former KGB Internal Affairs General -- the people who shot people) worked well for the CIA so his son was allowed to cheat to get "elected". There were massive protests.


33 posted on 01/13/2005 9:51:14 AM PST by jb6 (Truth = Christ)
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