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World On Brink Of Ruin [Greenspan leaves mess for future generations]
Forbes ^ | 01-07-05 | Dan Ackman

Posted on 01/08/2005 9:30:30 PM PST by steve86

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Stephen Roach, the chief economist for Morgan Stanley & Co., one of the most powerful investment banks and one of the 50 largest companies in the world, says Greenspan has "driven the world to the economic brink."
1 posted on 01/08/2005 9:30:30 PM PST by steve86
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To: BearWash

And your point is what?


2 posted on 01/08/2005 9:33:58 PM PST by claptrap (Recent republican votes leave me wondering if they are all just republicrats!)
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To: BearWash

Boo!


3 posted on 01/08/2005 9:35:14 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: claptrap
Oh, I was bored watching the snow fall and so thought I'd quote from that far-left liberal drivel rag Forbes and the Communist state-owned bank Morgan Stanley & Co.
4 posted on 01/08/2005 9:38:22 PM PST by steve86
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To: BearWash

Greenspan didn't do it, Morgan Stanley, the other banks, and the politicians did it. They're all culpable in the fiat money scam.


5 posted on 01/08/2005 9:41:03 PM PST by agitator (...And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark)
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To: BearWash
The US economy is particulary well integrated with those of East Asia, all of whom, formally or informally, tie their currencies to the US dollar.

I've been hearing since the 1980's about our unsustainable trade and budget deficits. If our economic relations with these countries followed classic international trading rules, the dollar would have dropped sufficiently a long time ago and the trade balances would have corrected and the budget deficit also (as US exports increased).

Thsi hasn't happened (most of the current drop has been against the Euro). Now it has been argued that this is due to currency manipulation designed to help exports by the East Asians. Perhaps. But how can this have gone on for so so long unless the hypothesis about the trading relationship is incorrect?

It appears to me that our economies function much more like one integrated economy than as several independent ones, in which case the current situation will correct slowly over time as demand grows in East Asia, forcing the price of goods up.

6 posted on 01/08/2005 9:41:57 PM PST by pierrem15
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Greenspan's monetary policy deserves some accolades for the 1990s boom, but former President Bill Clinton's fiscal policy and other factors were equally responsible, Roach says.

I read until I got here, then Mr. Roach lost all credibility, unless, of course, it is the author of the article, rather than Mr. Roach, who decided to place the emphasis on Clinton rather than the "other factors" like, say, the dot.com bubble. Either way, the article is screwed.
7 posted on 01/08/2005 9:48:39 PM PST by fr_freak
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***It appears to me that our economies function much more like one integrated economy than as several independent ones, in which case the current situation will correct slowly over time as demand grows in East Asia, forcing the price of goods up.***

You're exactly right. It's happening in India. The company I work for (engineering corp.) has outsourced to India, and the cost of labor was rising 120-180% annually over the past 8 years. Then India started outsourcing OUR work to China. Let's just say we put an end to that when we discovered it. Cost of labor and goods from Asia will rise, as expected and as the world has seen so many times. Colonial America provided cheap labor and goods for Europe, then the slave South did the same for the North, then Mexico, then Japan, India, now China. All these areas have developed over time, that's just the nature of economics.


8 posted on 01/08/2005 9:50:12 PM PST by Zeppelin (If builders built the way programmers program, the first woodpecker would destroy civilization.)
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To: pierrem15

Where's the problem? They loan us money, and we buy their products. If they stopped loaning us money and we got in trouble we'd have to stop buying their products and they would suffer. Sounds like a Mexican standoff.


9 posted on 01/08/2005 9:52:46 PM PST by Piranha
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To: Piranha
That was my point.

We will be told over and over again during the next 4 years that we need "responsible" tax hikes and trade protection for the Democratic Party's big-labor contributors.

10 posted on 01/08/2005 9:55:16 PM PST by pierrem15
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To: pierrem15

OK, you sound like you know what you are talking about, so here is my question: when will housing prices fall? Prices that is, for existing homes?

Thanks in advance for your reply, and I don't know is always an acceptable answer. But I will be a first time buyer and I am hesitant to jump in now, although where I live, in NJ (the most densly populated state in the nation) I probably can't do right or wrong, no matter what.


11 posted on 01/08/2005 9:55:57 PM PST by jocon307 (Ann Coulter was right)
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I have money in Morgan stanley, I had to roll it over to IRA when i lost my job and i didn't have a 401k to keep feeding on my new job. How can i get my money out of my IRA back into my 401k of my latest employer? I have not been impressed with my morgan stanley account as they just charge me more a month than i make in investments. Also the political crap morgan stanley plays i won't be feeding them anymore $.


12 posted on 01/08/2005 9:56:26 PM PST by 1FASTGLOCK45
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To: BearWash

This is the biggest crock of nothin' I have ever seen. Greenspan has nothing to do with the deficit, he has nothing to do with congressional policy, he has everything to do with maintaining orderly markets and taming inflation and unemployment. What a bunch of BS!


13 posted on 01/08/2005 9:59:38 PM PST by groanup (http://fairtax.org)
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To: fr_freak

According to Factcheck.com, Roach supported Kerry's position of the dire economy given in Kerry's acceptance speech. With that being said, Mr. Roach lives in an unreal world. It's like he wants the doom and gloom. Wonder if we follow the money, where it will lead.


14 posted on 01/08/2005 10:01:49 PM PST by pacpam (action=consequence applies in all cases)
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To: 1FASTGLOCK45

All you have to do is contact your 401(k) provider and get them to transfer your IRA assets into your 401(k). As is the norm, you will have a rep who put your 401(k) into place, took the commission and said ciao. But there will be a broker/dealer somewhere who is in charge. Just raise a little hell and it will get done.


15 posted on 01/08/2005 10:02:53 PM PST by groanup (http://fairtax.org)
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To: groanup

Ok, But it is MY money and they can't complain about where i put it. Do i need to provide my 401k provider with account information? Thanks i appreciate it, I feel better already :)


16 posted on 01/08/2005 10:05:04 PM PST by 1FASTGLOCK45
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To: BearWash

Given Morgan Stanley's support of the Klinton Administration and their momentous dot.com scam, I wouldn't hire Mr. Roach to shovel the crap in my daddy's horse pasture. And from reading this article, the guy knows how to shovel it!!


17 posted on 01/08/2005 10:06:01 PM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Gun-control is leftist mind-control.)
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To: claptrap

That the sky is falling. LOL


18 posted on 01/08/2005 10:06:17 PM PST by nopardons
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...when will housing prices fall? Prices that is, for existing homes?

I know your question is legitimate but listen, if someone really knew when housing prices will fall do you think they would tell you? Just like: if a stockbroker really knew what a stock will do why would he tell you just to make a commsission? Why wouldn't he just buy it for himself?

19 posted on 01/08/2005 10:07:17 PM PST by groanup (http://fairtax.org)
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To: BearWash

So everyone is going to stop working and just die of starvation all our natural rescources have dried up?
You have been playing monopoly too long!


20 posted on 01/08/2005 10:08:38 PM PST by claptrap (Recent republican votes leave me wondering if they are all just republicrats!)
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