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Hundreds of Vehicles Stuck in Calif. Snow
AP ^ | 9:02 p.m. ET January 8, 2005

Posted on 01/08/2005 6:27:11 PM PST by DeaconBenjamin

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To: noutopia

I think they understand it.. just somehow got caught unawares. This series of storms has been unpredictable, as far as altitude goes. Any good driver heading up to the ski areas had supplies and water for the trip. Hopefully, most of them were just that: good.


41 posted on 01/08/2005 8:32:00 PM PST by lainie
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To: NormsRevenge

It's a real mess in the mountains and down in the basin. And the worst of the rain is yet to come.


42 posted on 01/08/2005 8:33:14 PM PST by lainie
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To: lainie
Being that the weather changes drastically in California based on your altitude, responsible people here carry chains. You can get 'em at Pep Boys. By contrast, in some places chains are illegal. It's weird. I'm thinking of Virginia and Illinois where I used to live, maybe? The laws might have changed.

As far as I know chains are legal in Alaska, it's just that no one uses them or even owns them. If I were driving a long distance in the winter I'd bring certain items with me, but chains wouldn't be in the mix. I can't imagine what I'd do with them even if I had them.

43 posted on 01/08/2005 8:35:55 PM PST by AlaskaErik
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To: AlaskaErik
I can't imagine ever carrying chains. Being from Alaska I can count on one hand the number of times I've seen someone using them (and they usually have CA plates). I personally don't know of anyone who even owns them.

Do you have 4 wheel drive? Or studded tires? The latter, IIRC, are not legal in CA.

Yeah, chains could be a California thing. At any rate, even with my FWD '80 Honda, I was glad I had 'em.

44 posted on 01/08/2005 8:36:57 PM PST by kstewskis ( you have to have a mind before you lose it....)
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To: AlaskaErik
I can't imagine what I'd do with them even if I had them.

You put them on your tires when the road is slippery for personal/family safety and to gain traction and control. Be sure to put them on the tires that have power going to them...They've been around for decades...

Sometimes things are new to you...It doesn't mean they aren't useful to others...live with it.

45 posted on 01/08/2005 8:47:56 PM PST by lewislynn (The meaning of life can be described in one word...Grandchildren)
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To: kstewskis

You have to know these people are southern CA residents and are only used to snow if they drive to it. The North CA residents are used to it and if it falls down to 900 ft. we are ready for it. 9 ft. is nothing to Northe cal. Yes, we will probably get a little more than normal this year but 10 to 12 feet for the year in the upper elevations in the Sierras is normal. First time visitors to Northern CA in the winter when taken up hwy 88 will be stunned( as a rule) to see the amount of snow in CA.


46 posted on 01/08/2005 8:52:48 PM PST by calex59
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To: calex59
You have to know these people are southern CA residents and are only used to snow if they drive to it.

Oh, I know it. Lived there for nearly 30 years.

Yes, we will probably get a little more than normal this year but 10 to 12 feet for the year in the upper elevations in the Sierras is normal.

Be ready for the huge influx of So. Californians heading up Hwy 395 to Mammoth...I hope they "get it" before they hit Mojave :)

47 posted on 01/08/2005 8:59:23 PM PST by kstewskis ( you have to have a mind before you lose it....)
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To: noutopia

I resent your insensitive and ignorant remarks about people who live n CA. There are plenty of us who live in Northern CA that know how to drive in snow as we see it each year. South CA doesn't usually get this kind of snow but us in the North do!!Every year and we know how to handle it. I really get tired of seeing everyone bitching about how stupid CA is. We are mostly Red counties here in CA and can't help it if the population centers out vote us! Get over it and start to think of us as people. We are not all queers and liberals, and by the way I think you should be awarded the title of A**H**le of the year.


48 posted on 01/08/2005 9:03:46 PM PST by calex59
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To: AlaskaErik

If you lived in a state where the roads with snow on them almost always go straight up, you would understand the reason for chains. I gaurantee you that if you lived here and had to drive in the mountains in the winter yyou wold have a 4 wheel drive or carry chains. It is a state law for one thing, and where the snow is very wet they are necessary. Try to curb your ignorance until you can ask someone who knows this area about driving conditions before you run your fat mouth.


49 posted on 01/08/2005 9:08:42 PM PST by calex59
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To: Thinkin' Gal; NormsRevenge
Pineapple Express headed straight for So Cal ping.(pic courtesy of Norms Revenge)


50 posted on 01/08/2005 9:10:04 PM PST by Lijahsbubbe
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To: noutopia
On the east coast we understand we are going to have huricanes.People in California dont understand they can get bad weather like the rest of us

Not true. Not like the rest of the country. For instance in So. Cal when we generally get an inch or two of rain out of a storm, we consider it a pretty big storm, most of the rest of the country laughs. No, we here don't get anything like most of the rest of the country gets, as far as weather goes. We are truly spoiled here as far as the weather goes.

Driving in the mountains in January,you should be ready for snow

That I will agree with as you are talking about elevations between 5,000 and 10,000 feet near the peaks. I've been up in those mountains thousands of times since was a kid, lived there and owned property there and have family there. I've seen wild fires up there close up, where we didn't think we'd make it out, and winter snow almost 6 feet deep, and deeper near the peaks, where nothing moved, I mean *nothing*.

I have great respect for those mountains in even perfect weather.

What many don't understand about California, is you can be in a big city, at an Angel game, or whatever, and within an hour or so you can be in true wilderness, at 8000 foot elevations where things happen *real* fast. Many that come up for an outing, just don't understand, it's a different world.

51 posted on 01/08/2005 9:18:18 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf (No more illegal alien sympathizers from Texas. America has one too many.)
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To: kstewskis
A little side story which might interest you.
52 posted on 01/08/2005 9:19:57 PM PST by lainie
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To: Joe Hadenuf

Lived in Idaho and New Mexico,tell me somthing about weather I dont know!Live on the east coast now.


53 posted on 01/08/2005 9:28:35 PM PST by noutopia (Home of the brave,not the spineless.)
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To: noutopia

Apparently, you don't know the way southern Californians deal with weather. :-)

sorry, you asked


54 posted on 01/08/2005 9:46:28 PM PST by lainie
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To: kstewskis

I go over hiway 17 mainly, I use Hiway 9 just if 17 or other roads are blocked. But the area is beautiful as ever but getting alot of folks moving in there, the traffic on hiway 9 in the mornings and evenings are amazing, like a big slow snake of traffic :)

OH yes and i forgot the disclaimers: Know how to control your fires, knives or any other things you can hurt yourself or nature with when trying to survive out in the mountains!


55 posted on 01/08/2005 10:00:38 PM PST by 1FASTGLOCK45
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To: DeaconBenjamin

Global warming at it again!


56 posted on 01/08/2005 10:01:02 PM PST by Dashing Dasher (Because I fly, I envy no (wo)man on earth. - Anon)
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To: 1FASTGLOCK45
OH yes and i forgot the disclaimers: Know how to control your fires, knives or any other things you can hurt yourself or nature with when trying to survive out in the mountains!

Great public service announcement for Southern Californians. And perhaps, it would apply to some of the recent transplants that come here to AZ as well :)

57 posted on 01/09/2005 8:09:26 AM PST by kstewskis ( you have to have a mind before you lose it....)
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To: kstewskis
Do you have 4 wheel drive? Or studded tires? The latter, IIRC, are not legal in CA.

I have 4WD but I find studded tires to be a waste of money.

58 posted on 01/09/2005 4:01:37 PM PST by AlaskaErik
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To: lewislynn
You put them on your tires when the road is slippery for personal/family safety and to gain traction and control. Be sure to put them on the tires that have power going to them...They've been around for decades...

Sometimes things are new to you...It doesn't mean they aren't useful to others...live with it.

I'd rather live without them. Sounds like too much trouble. I believe there is a speed limit with chains, like around 35 mph. Not to mention since I got the optional larger tires, my owner's manual says they can't be used. Besides, I don't want everyone laughing at me.

59 posted on 01/09/2005 4:05:40 PM PST by AlaskaErik
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To: calex59
If you lived in a state where the roads with snow on them almost always go straight up, you would understand the reason for chains. I gaurantee you that if you lived here and had to drive in the mountains in the winter yyou wold have a 4 wheel drive or carry chains. It is a state law for one thing, and where the snow is very wet they are necessary. Try to curb your ignorance until you can ask someone who knows this area about driving conditions before you run your fat mouth.

My my my! What a hissy fit! First of all, in Alaska we have lots of snow and lots of mountains. It goes without saying that most of us have a 4WD. CA seems to have a law for everything. I spent a few years down in CA and I've been to the affected area a number of times. I wouldn't have any qualms about driving my truck on those roads without chains or studded tires all winter long. But I would have had the sense to terminate my journey before I got snowed in. But in CA, taking personal responsibility isn't required. Maybe it's against the law.

60 posted on 01/09/2005 4:14:04 PM PST by AlaskaErik
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