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[Penn.] School District defends evolution teaching plan [Intelligent Design to be taught]
Reuters ^ | 05 January 2005 | Staff (from Reuters)

Posted on 01/06/2005 7:39:47 AM PST by PatrickHenry

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To: judywillow
You have some interesting comments and questions about the Freeper Science Squad. Ran across your name in one of their chats/threads ; silly mocking you over something about gays.

Regarding the Inquisition, IMO they'd have a lot of bad press even without the English, but the existence of an independent England did allow scientific inquiry to proceed without having to worry about the Pope. Giordano Bruno was burned (in Rome) for refusing to shut up about about a heliocentric universe. Gallileo was "shown the instruments", a kind of cease and desist order in prelude to their being used - Kepler's mother as well, I believe. Tip of the iceberg? I don't know. In Spain many converted Jews faced the Inquisition after expulsion of Jews in 1492 - suspected of secretly practicing Judaism.

In Goa , the Portuguese adopted a scorched earth policy.
.... The inquisitors in Goa became the most fanatic and violent of the Portuguese Catholic Church.
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Even the Viceroys of India were afraid of the Inquisition.,
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The inquisition, this tribunal of fire, thrown on the surface of the globe for the scourge of humanity, this horrible institution, which will eternally cover with shame its authors, fixed its brutal domicile in the fertile plains of the Hindustan. On seeing the monster everyone fled and disappeared, Moguls, Arabs, Persians, Armenians, and Jews. The Indians even, more tolerant and pacific, were astounded to see the God of Christianism more cruel than that of Mohammed, deserted the territory of the Portuguese and went to the lands of the Muslims, with whom time had made peaceful living possible, in spite of the fact that they (Indians) had received from them enormous and incalculable evils.



Goans were still 35% Catholic in 2003, but Catholics were much more prevelant prior to the takeover by India. Here's a quote from an article about Goan identity - I lost the url due to sloppy use of Mozilla tabs:
When it got liberated, everything changed drastically. There was an influx of people from other states and our cultural heritage deteriorated. Goans, who were 5 lakh originally, increased to 7.5 lakh in 1971, swelled to 10 lakh in 1981 and today the population is 13 lakh.
221 posted on 01/11/2005 11:26:06 AM PST by mista science (Gee Whillikers)
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To: mista science

How is that (Portugese Goa) relevant to the question of the percentage of evolutionists who are queer (which is what you seem to have started off talking about)?


222 posted on 01/11/2005 1:21:02 PM PST by judywillow
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To: judywillow
Read my post.

It was a reply to your post 159, where you started with comments about the Inquisition.

My first paragraph was just an intro, explaining how I came to be reading your comments about the Inquisition. I have also wondered about the FR Science Squad's activities, as you indicated in some of your other posts, but saw no need to get into that in that particular post.

The rest of the post was about various things I have read about the Inquisition, some or all of which you might not be aware of. Just thought you might be interested. No hostility to you intended or implied.
223 posted on 01/11/2005 1:56:22 PM PST by mista science (Gee Whillikers)
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Compliments of the Editor of CreationSafaris:

Dr. Sniegowski and Dr. Weisberg (authors of this open letter), your assignment is to write on the blackboard, 500 times, “I will not tell a lie” (see 11/30/2004 entry). Then you must read all four years of back issues of Creation-Evolution Headlines. Anyone who cannot find anything wrong with this letter must also read the back issues before continuing. Selective evidence? Bias? Religious motivation? Such hypocrisy is laughable. How many times do we need to go over this? Go back and read 11/30/2004, 09/29/2004, 08/18/2004, 05/07/2004, 02/27/2004 and the rest of the chain links on Darwinism or Intelligent Design.

As well-meaning as the board’s intentions are, this compromise will not work. Teachers have much more emotional power over the students than administrators. Students view administrators as distant bureaucrats in formidable offices, those mean guys with white shirts and ties that you get sent to when you’re bad. You can just picture a Darwinista teacher smirking as the statement is read over the intercom, whistling a silly tune and rotating his finger around his ear. Students will get the message – ID is crazy, and that it is “cool” to mock it. A few students may glance at the alternate textbook (if they can find one – the Darwinista comrade will conveniently “lose” it), and a small number of students may feel relieved they have official permission to use their brains. But unless there is a charismatic student leader in the classroom willing to stand up to the Darwin-only dogma and attract fellow students to his or her side, most students will just fall in line. The Darwin Party teacher will also have power over grading, and with many and varied subtle techniques, will be able to make any student regret listening to the announcement. Sadly, the policy may backfire, and raise up a class of students even more brainwashed than before. That is why even the pro-ID Discovery Institute considered the policy misguided. Proponents of ID don’t want to mandate their view; they want students to hear both sides and think critically; Darwinists do not. That is the difference: using your brains, or being brainwashed.

The Darwin Party muscles out ID mostly because of bandwagon and bully tactics, not evidence, as we repeatedly demonstrate right here. Unless school boards understand the issues clearly, the Darwinistas will continue to get away with their blustering about science vs. religion, separation of church and state, equating evolution with good science education, threats about jobs and college, and empty promises of medical advances. School boards should first master the baloney detector. Then they must master the history and philosophy of evolutionism. They need to understand clearly the philosophical bases of naturalism, and the fallacies of positivism. They need to expose the religious bias of these philosophies, and be prepared to argue worldviews, not just pieces of evidence. They need to understand the way Darwinists smuggled their philosophy into the definition of science; like physicist Keith Wanser said, “There is not one theory of evolution, but a body of opinions, speculations and methods for interpretation of observational facts so that they fit into the philosophy of naturalism” (see Nov. 2001 quote). After these things, school boards need to devise strategies that empower the students and the teachers to unite against the illegitimate dictatorship of the Darwinista usurpers. It’s as much strategy as knowledge.

The latest Creation Research Society Quarterly has an essay by several authors that provides a primer on the historical and philosophical errors of evolutionism. It points out how philosophical naturalists co-opted Christian assumptions that would otherwise make their own beliefs self-refuting, and how the naturalists pulled a coup over science with misdirection and redefinition of terms. These historical and philosophical issues must be understood before writing education policy. The students need to see this as a revolution against tyranny, against dogmatists who want to brainwash them, who feel the ugly problems with their views must be shielded from students’ tender eyes. Students, parents and school boards need to be equipped to answer the Darwinist propaganda with facts, logic, and a firm grasp of the issues. They need to be able to parry attempts to misdirect the argument, control definitions of terms or bluff around difficulties. They need to defend the right to think and ask questions. They need to stop being intimidated by bluffing, even when signed off by a bandwagon of PhDs. For every open letter like the one sent to the Dover school board, there need to be a dozen reasoned, informed responses. For every ACLU threat, there needs to be a firm show of resolve by citizens who will not be cowed into silence. The Darwinists should be the ones on the defensive; they are trying to push a myth that the universe came from nothing, that life arose by chance, and that all the complexity and beauty of life “arose” through undirected processes without purpose. This is ridiculous on the face of it. They want to maintain their right to tell these stories to kids, without contradiction. The pompous Emperor Charlie is naked. Don’t be afraid to shout the evidence to a docile crowd, trained into thinking they cannot trust their eyes.

From here:

Dover, PA Administrators Will Read ID Statement

224 posted on 01/12/2005 11:15:03 AM PST by Michael_Michaelangelo (The best theory is not ipso facto a good theory.)
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