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Texas Begins a Huge Highway Project; Not All Are Happy
The New York Times ^ | January 1, 2005 | THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Posted on 01/05/2005 3:10:55 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

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To: BobL
"Another thing is Congress should repeal the Davis-Bacon act that forces contractors to pay union wages for public construction."

$30 per hour to hold a sign up, when a college kid would do it for $6.

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Even worse, in KenneTaxaChusetts, (that's "MA" for those of you fortunate enough to never have lived there) the cops union forces replacement of that $30 flag-waver with a $55 State Trooper on overtime, with his $$$$$$ souped-up, electronics-loaded patrol car idling -- with its flashing lights replacing the flag. (And that includes supervisors' cars -- with bigger "antenna farms" than the President's limo...)

All the uniformed (college degreed) $$$$Trooper does is stand around, look dumb, and collect overtime -- he/she doesn't even hold a flag.

As a result, the highest paid public servants in MA are -- MA State Troopers!

*@#$&*% greedy unions!!!


81 posted on 01/05/2005 6:41:23 PM PST by TXnMA (Attention, ACLU: There is no constitutionally protected right to NOT be offended -- Shove It!)
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To: DblDn11
Do you live in Texas? (If you fixed up your FRProfile we wouldn't have to ask...)

If not, you ain't got a dawg in this fight!

82 posted on 01/05/2005 6:45:51 PM PST by TXnMA (Attention, ACLU: There is no constitutionally protected right to NOT be offended -- Shove It!)
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To: TXnMA
"If not, you ain't got a dawg in this fight!"

I disagree. He's been very helpful to me in bringing out my points (some I hadn't even thought of), and he could be just as screwed in another state, if we don't stop the madness here. We just have to (try to) bring him around.
83 posted on 01/05/2005 6:49:00 PM PST by BobL
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To: TXnMA

"If not, you ain't got a dawg in this fight!"

One other comment - even if he doesn't come around, at least he'll keep a close eye on TX, and thus be available to warn others, after the $hit hits the fan.


84 posted on 01/05/2005 6:53:26 PM PST by BobL
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To: DblDn11
Well I live in Texas, Austin TX and we are getting toll roads crammed down our throats whether we want them or not. Even worse, they are converting roads that we have already paid for and are being built now into toll roads. Supposedly there will be other ways to get to a location but of course, all the toll roads are the main means of getting from one area to another.

I'm glad you like toll roads, I implore you to move to Austin and pay the fees. I've seen some estimates that commuters will be paying $2000 more a year to get to their jobs. I've also seen estimates that adding just a few pennies more to our taxes would bring in the same revenue without this egregious misuse of our money.

Jen

85 posted on 01/05/2005 6:58:23 PM PST by IVote2 ( God Bless the United States of America and the people who make it great.)
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To: IVote2
Toll rates proposed (today) by Cintra are 10 to 20 cents per mile. Anyone care to wager what they'll be a few years in the future as their monopolistic grip tightens on us drivers?
86 posted on 01/05/2005 7:03:02 PM PST by BobL
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To: IVote2

Cintra now charges 13 to 14 cents (Canadian) per kilometer for the road they own near Toronto. That comes out to about 17 cents US per mile.

http://www.407etr.com/tolls/tolls.asp

HANG ON TO YOUR WALLET Texans!!!


87 posted on 01/05/2005 7:08:21 PM PST by BobL
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

i don't understand why they don't use barcode technology for billing cars.

instead, they create these huge bureaucracies that was money. paying someone to sit in a toll booth is labor intensive and stupid.

they'll unionize and vote democrat.


88 posted on 01/05/2005 7:12:07 PM PST by ken21 (if you didn't see it on tv, then it didn't happen! (/s))
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To: ken21

was = waste.

i'm gonk to bed.


89 posted on 01/05/2005 7:13:06 PM PST by ken21 (if you didn't see it on tv, then it didn't happen! (/s))
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To: IVote2

One last comment,

The rates that I quoted for Cintra in Canada assume that you have a transponder. Without the transponder it comes out to about 21 US cents per mile.


90 posted on 01/05/2005 7:13:53 PM PST by BobL
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To: IVote2

the dozen or so 4-tier interchanges that they're building in austin are just plain ugly and destructive. take the one at i-35 and louis henna. who will wanna shop at kinko's or eat at mcduck's?

they will destroy the neighborhoods that they tower over, just like the ones at i-35 and 183. the stretch from 35 to metric on 183 is a high crime, slum.


91 posted on 01/05/2005 7:18:45 PM PST by ken21 (if you didn't see it on tv, then it didn't happen! (/s))
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To: ken21

Oh no! We are going hi-tech here! No tool booths, they will have some device to bill for road use. You will get a couple of free passes if you are unfamiliar with the area, tourist or new to the area, after that the bill will be in the mail.

Big Brother, he is here, alive and well in Austin TX. BTW, a toll road is never EVER paid for, and the fee never goes away, it might rise but it surely won't go down.

HMM, now that I think about it, what better place to have this happen than in the ultra blue zone known as liberal heaven, Austin TX!

I'm glad we live on the outskirts, maybe I will consider a move to Waco or Temple.

Jen


92 posted on 01/05/2005 7:19:10 PM PST by IVote2 ( God Bless the United States of America and the people who make it great.)
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To: ken21

Have you seen what they are building at 620 and 183? I think I should set up a camera and wait for someone to come flying off that lovely interchange when it is finished. It is bound to happen.

They will kill our neighborhoods and stores.


93 posted on 01/05/2005 7:22:47 PM PST by IVote2 ( God Bless the United States of America and the people who make it great.)
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To: IVote2

you're sure no toll booths, huh?

last summer i went around the east side of denver. it was 4 or 5 toll booths, and $12.00.

$12.00 seemed like alot to avoid the traffic on i-25.

in either case, the 4-tier interchanges, whether they're in denver, phoenix, los angeles, las vegas, or austin...etc are

oppressive.


94 posted on 01/05/2005 7:24:40 PM PST by ken21 (if you didn't see it on tv, then it didn't happen! (/s))
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To: IVote2

yeah, i've seen it.

it sux.

i was telling a friend the other day that everything from cedar park to georgetown will be bulldozed in a couple of years.

as i said, i think the 4-tier interchanges are oppressive.

there must be an alternative that would be more human.


95 posted on 01/05/2005 7:27:02 PM PST by ken21 (if you didn't see it on tv, then it didn't happen! (/s))
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To: BobL
I can't resist:

Here's an exact quote out of the Cintra contract in Canada (which, I may repeat, took 3 years to be released to the public)

"If it is determined that any such Work initiated by a municipality or the Grantor will have a negative effect on Toll Revenues, the municipality or Grantor shall pay for any Losses caused by such work."

Page 18:
http://www.407etr.com/pdf/saleagr/Schedule_1.pdf

This is their franchise protection, and you better believe that Cintra will demand it and get it in Texas. It means that TXDOT will have to pay Cintra in order to do anything on I-35 that Cintra thinks may threaten toll revenue.

Note that doing something as innocent as repaving I-35 would probably trigger this clause.
96 posted on 01/05/2005 7:30:30 PM PST by BobL
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To: COEXERJ145; FreeReign
Its 75mph out in West Texas and 70mph just about everywhere else except within cities.

When did the speed limit change for thinly populated counties? I remember seeing an article about proposed legislation, but I haven't been more than 50 miles west of I-35 since 2001 so I've never seen a higher speed limit than 70 in Texas.

97 posted on 01/05/2005 8:04:11 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Dan Rather's got to go!)
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To: BobL; COEXERJ145
Cintra would be insane to allow Perry to leave open the possibility of some future governor, maybe KBH or a Dem, coming in with a vengeance and adding a couple of lanes each way to I-35 - thereby destroying Cintra's investment.

Where would the state get the right of way to add two lanes in each direction to I-35? The right of way currently is narrower than most newer Interstate highways that have two lanes each direction separated by a grass median. The grass median separating north and south bound traffic between Austin and Hillsborough is about half the width of other Texas Interstate highways. That's why the state built concrete crash barriers between those lanes in the last five years. The frontage roads adjacent to I-35 are also closer than more modern frontage roads. There is no place to to put more than one additional lane in each direction using the current right of way unless elevated lanes were built. You could build lots more lanes in a brand new right of way for what it would cost to build an elevated highway from San Antonio to Denton.

98 posted on 01/05/2005 8:25:11 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Dan Rather's got to go!)
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