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Big Sister is Watching You (Whittaker Chambers on Ayn Rand)
NRO | 28 December, 1957 | Whittaker Chambers

Posted on 01/05/2005 11:22:24 AM PST by annyokie

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To: aynrandfreak

Childrearing is altruistic. It is totally subordinating your schedule to the needs of another.


81 posted on 01/05/2005 1:27:41 PM PST by Sam the Sham
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To: buwaya

No disagreement. I love to read from polar extremes. It's important to be informed and intelligent (as much as that's within one's ability to influence), and so I read views from radically opposite writers all the time. I even (GASP) listen to NPR and Air America for the same reason.

What I take umbrage at is the thought that Rand will be required reading at all colleges as one of the most important writers of the 20th century.

If total numbers are the determinant in this claim, then the Rev. Moon must be one of the most important religious figures of the last hundred years as well, destined to be studied in minute detail for generations to come.


82 posted on 01/05/2005 1:28:18 PM PST by ColoCdn (Neco eos omnes, Deus suos agnoset)
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To: longshadow
Of course, Toni Morrison shows up three times, which should perhaps tell us something about the critical faculties of the list-compilers ;)
83 posted on 01/05/2005 1:29:31 PM PST by general_re (How come so many of the VKs have been here six months or less?)
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To: buwaya

Too bad that Salinger has managed to live his life as a sophomore.


84 posted on 01/05/2005 1:30:16 PM PST by annyokie (If the shoe fits, put 'em both on!)
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To: sauron

"I would be interested in hearing from any Christians who have read Ayn Rand, if there are any. Again, I have yet to meet even one."

Apparently, you need to get out more. Now you've met one.

Whaddyawannaknow?


85 posted on 01/05/2005 1:30:49 PM PST by ColoCdn (Neco eos omnes, Deus suos agnoset)
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To: longshadow
Note that Chambers is nowhere to be found on this TOP 100 Books ...

Compared to Rand, the "mainstream" of academia prefers Chambers, because although he denounced a commie, at least he had what they regard as one redeeming virtue -- he was queer. Rand, on the other hand, was not only anti-commie, but she also denounced the peculiar vice of people like Chambers. So of course she gets a bad press.

86 posted on 01/05/2005 1:33:39 PM PST by PatrickHenry (The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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To: aynrandfreak
Speaking of gas chambers, and comparing her to Nazis shows someone who hasn't read the book, because she explicitly talks about the non-initiation of force.

Your comment "shows someone who hasn't read," or at least, has not understood, Chambers's review. He gave reasons for his assertions, and his reasons are believable because they are based on history. We've seen his assertions concerning the trend toward dictatorship borne out in practice all throughout history.

And, specifically to Ms. Rand, we can simply look at her personal history to see that she was not particularly different in that regard. Consider her famous tendency to "excommunicate" those disciples who dared to disagree, for example; or the personality cult from which the dissidents were excommunicated; or her egregious "objectively justified" infidelity to her husband.

Chambers, a former Communist, used that old canard of the Reds; anything we don't like must be Fascist.

I must admit to being very impressed at your use of an ad hominem attack based on Chambers's alleged ad hominem attack.

As it happens, Chambers very publicly recanted his former Communist views; however, he made a point of never forgetting them -- and in the case of Ms. Rand, he clearly recognized the same sorts of totalitarian impulses to which he'd been a party in the Party.

As for myself, I used to think Ayn Rand's philosophy was pretty swell, until I tried to follow her advice and use reason to prove it. In so doing, I discovered that Ayn Rand was a fraud: her philosophy is "objective" if and only if you accept her axioms -- even when the real world suggests that they are incorrect. And when you make an honest attempt to do the same, I think you'll come to the same conclusion.

87 posted on 01/05/2005 1:34:00 PM PST by r9etb
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To: ColoCdn

Well, Marx is, or should be, required reading in political philosophy. And also Rousseau and Hegel and Gramsci and Lenin and Le Maitre and Ortega y Gassett.

I don't see why not Rand. She is more entertaining than Marx at least.


88 posted on 01/05/2005 1:34:23 PM PST by buwaya
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To: ColoCdn

Ssh! Don't make sense!


89 posted on 01/05/2005 1:35:05 PM PST by annyokie (If the shoe fits, put 'em both on!)
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To: PatrickHenry

Mr. Chambers was not "queer." He was bisexual.


90 posted on 01/05/2005 1:36:43 PM PST by annyokie (If the shoe fits, put 'em both on!)
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To: ColoCdn
Well, I guess there are Christian readers of Rand.

Mea culpa.

91 posted on 01/05/2005 1:37:03 PM PST by sauron ("Truth is hate to those who hate Truth" --unknown)
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To: r9etb

You live in a world that will not let you get away with practicing a kind of inter-personal imperialism.


92 posted on 01/05/2005 1:37:30 PM PST by Sam the Sham
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To: PatrickHenry

"...of course she get bad press."

Probably a kernel of truth. She shares that distinction with hundreds of millions of Christians. Although I don't like the way you worded this sentence, in that it vaguely impresses the concept of victimhood upon one's consciousness. I don't think Rand would have liked it, either.


93 posted on 01/05/2005 1:38:48 PM PST by ColoCdn (Neco eos omnes, Deus suos agnoset)
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To: annyokie

Salinger was mentally or emotionally disturbed I understand. We all have our problems.


94 posted on 01/05/2005 1:39:29 PM PST by buwaya
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To: ColoCdn
I don't think Rand would have liked it, either.

She understood the press and why she got the reviews she got. I don't think she never worried about being victimized, except to the extent that she got the same shaft we're all getting from the lefties (or "statists").

95 posted on 01/05/2005 1:43:03 PM PST by PatrickHenry (The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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To: sauron

Well spoken.

Cogitationis poenam nemo patitur.
(Nobody should be punished for his thoughts.)


96 posted on 01/05/2005 1:43:12 PM PST by ColoCdn (Neco eos omnes, Deus suos agnoset)
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To: PatrickHenry

Ya gotta admire that about the old girl. She hated the lefties.


97 posted on 01/05/2005 1:43:58 PM PST by ColoCdn (Neco eos omnes, Deus suos agnoset)
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To: r9etb

No philosophy as defined by a human being is likely to be "swell" - everybody has some blindness or deafness or a degree of misjudgement.

For an analogy, Frank Lloyd Wright was a similar "guru" figure. He was also tyrannical and overbearing and exploited his acolytes, and left them with an impractical outlook on life. His buildings roofs all leaked. Not coincidentally, he was the model for the protagonist of "The Fountainhead". But he was nontheless great.

Rand is best appreciated as a political philosopher, not a personal guru. She had interesting and useful (and prophetic) things to say.


98 posted on 01/05/2005 1:46:54 PM PST by buwaya
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To: ColoCdn
Ya gotta admire that about the old girl. She hated the lefties.

Not only that, she understood them. She understood them deep down, and explained them, and they hated her for it. That's why, regardless of what some may see as personal flaws, she must always be honored.

99 posted on 01/05/2005 1:48:01 PM PST by PatrickHenry (The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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To: general_re
Of course, Toni Morrison shows up three times, which should perhaps tell us something about the critical faculties of the list-compilers ;)

Okay; let us correct their error; I'll stipulate that you can remove Morrison ALL THREE TIMES from the list. Now move up the authors/works to take those slots, and add the three books that just missed the cut for the top one hundred the first time around.

Guess what: Rand is still ahead of Chambers! Twice!

;-)

100 posted on 01/05/2005 1:51:26 PM PST by longshadow
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