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Ten Objections to Christianity and How to Respond
Christianity Today ^ | 1/03/04 | Frank Harber

Posted on 01/02/2005 9:06:26 PM PST by freedom44

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To: weshess

Goodnight, weshess. Sleep well.


181 posted on 01/03/2005 1:06:17 AM PST by Bonaparte (Of course, it must look like an accident...)
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To: freedom44
Of course these responses are not intended for a non-Christian audience, but for any Christians who might find the objections interesting or difficult.

Regardless of the kind of difficulty found, not a single irreconcilable error can be found in the Bible's pages.

Piffle. Try reconciling these. This is, of course, the simplest and strongest criticism of Christianity--because it relies entirely on Christian scriptures.

182 posted on 01/03/2005 1:10:44 AM PST by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: Bonaparte

Good night and keep up the good fight.

God Bless.


183 posted on 01/03/2005 1:11:13 AM PST by weshess (I will stop hunting when the animals agree to quit jumping in front of my gun to commit suicide)
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To: Red Sea Swimmer
"We are allowed a little spelling mistake."

But didn't make a spelling mistake. You omitted a word, a word that would have changed the entire meaning of what you were saying. And you omitted that word because the dog barked at the exact moment you were about to type yet another denial of Jesus Christ.

No, your spelling is fine. It's your intellectual honesty that is the issue.

184 posted on 01/03/2005 1:12:28 AM PST by Bonaparte (Of course, it must look like an accident...)
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To: freedom44

Never hit on my only question: Show me that Jesus was real, show me he was divine, show me that the miracles actually took place and it's not just a bunch of hooey and tall tales that got passed down.


185 posted on 01/03/2005 1:22:16 AM PST by Melas
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To: Bonaparte
No I do mis-spell from time to time and omit certain words when I am rushing. You keep focusing on my omission of the word "not" for some strange reason as id there is some mystical significance to it. People in the 1700's used to look at and measure the bumps on a person's head to determine character. People in the 1920's used to conduct seances to try to communicate with the dead. In the 1980's crystals from deep dark caves in the Mayan jungle were popular with the New Age crowd. Now it seems that some people are hooked on Typographical Error Forensic Science as a predictor of cosmic events.

Yes Tonto, we do live in very interesting times.

186 posted on 01/03/2005 1:23:24 AM PST by Red Sea Swimmer (Tisha5765Bav)
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To: Melas
Jesus was a real person. He was not the exclusive son of god as the christians like to claim. Some interesting things happened around the time of his life, and oral history was an important part of that era. Also if you know the kid's game of Chinese Whispers you will know that certain things that are said at the start get confused and mixed up after a while.
187 posted on 01/03/2005 1:26:41 AM PST by Red Sea Swimmer (Tisha5765Bav)
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To: Red Sea Swimmer
Oh no, I spelled "if" as "id". Must be a Freudian slip again revealing a cosmic truth...Id - Ego etc.
188 posted on 01/03/2005 1:28:29 AM PST by Red Sea Swimmer (Tisha5765Bav)
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To: Bonaparte
A little historical footnote to your screen name and the subject of spelling.

Recently, letters, notes and documents penned by Napoleon were auctioned. It was noted that he had really bad spelling. He was probably very busy trying to do a lot of things, thus spelling for him wasn't a priority.

One of his letters to his female friend went...

"Not tonite Josfine."
189 posted on 01/03/2005 1:34:15 AM PST by Red Sea Swimmer (Tisha5765Bav)
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To: Red Sea Swimmer

What is the basis for your special knowledge of future events?


190 posted on 01/03/2005 1:51:05 AM PST by Bonaparte (Of course, it must look like an accident...)
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To: Red Sea Swimmer
Jesus was a real person. He was not the exclusive son of god as the Christians like to claim. Some interesting things happened around the time of his life, and oral history was an important part of that era. Also if you know the kid's game of Chinese Whispers you will know that certain things that are said at the start get confused and mixed up after a while.

-your denial may be perception askew due to delusion. Christians are not unfounded in claim -they accept revelation as prophesied in the Old Testament and revealed with the New Testament.

Perhaps this link will educate you beyond the inadequacy you apparently settle for and promulgate erroneously:

Prophetic Predictions Prove the Bible's Authority

191 posted on 01/03/2005 3:16:18 AM PST by DBeers
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To: Red Sea Swimmer
Waiting for a saviour who will never return is like watching the water recede before one's very eyes and hoping that you will discover sunken treasure on the wet sand in front of you.

Interesting analogy given who the "sea" is washing over in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Any time the Muslims get cocky about destroying America is a good time to remind them the score is 2-0 and we haven't even instituted a draft.

192 posted on 01/03/2005 3:26:23 AM PST by hopespringseternal
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To: Our man in washington

I'm trusting God is compassionate to all those that seek Him.


193 posted on 01/03/2005 3:27:16 AM PST by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: SedVictaCatoni
I have often said that even if one does not believe the Bible to the 'word of God', or even divinely inspired, it's still the most remarkable book ever written. It is such a study of the human experience. I like the part where a bunch of kids were teasing an old man he told them they would be sorry if they didn't stop. They kept it up and he caused a 'she bear' to come out of the woods and eat them! Yup, gotta love that biblical discipline! Gimme that ol' time religion!
194 posted on 01/03/2005 4:33:10 AM PST by jwpjr
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To: xm177e2
Of course these responses are not intended for a non-Christian audience, but for any Christians who might find the objections interesting or difficult.

Regardless of the kind of difficulty found, not a single irreconcilable error can be found in the Bible's pages.

Piffle. Try reconciling these. This is, of course, the simplest and strongest criticism of Christianity--because it relies entirely on Christian scriptures.

It appears you are at a disadvantage as you post to "any Christians" a message that only those ignorant of Christianity, apparently as yourself, would possibly consider error?

Do you suggest Christians have missed some meanings or missed some 'typos'? Possibly, the many 'intelligent' critics seeking to disprove Christianity having studied the Bible in depth, over hundreds of years, have missed these 'contradictions' and or failed to make use of them adequately until you realized their merit and now offer them?

Either the Bible is wrong, or your understanding is wrong. Your assumption is that it's the former, have you ever considered that it is the latter and possibly investigated such? Of course stepping outside of your safety zone takes a willingness to consider something other than what you want to believe.

I recommend further study for you:

"Contradictions"

Answered Contradictions in the Bible

195 posted on 01/03/2005 4:34:04 AM PST by DBeers
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To: Red Sea Swimmer

"Waiting for a saviour who will never return is like watching the water recede before one's very eyes and hoping that you will discover sunken treasure on the wet sand in front of you.

Pointless, dangerous, futile, stupid and sad."

You have VERY much misunderstood Christ's charge to us and the Christian faith as a whole. Christians aren't waiting for anything. We have been given specific tasks-- to love God, to love our neighbor as ourselves, to feed Christ's sheep, to preach Christ risen to all nations-- and instructed to get on with it. NO ONE but God (not even Jesus Christ) knows the day or hour of His return-- we are merely told to always be ready. A life spent following Christ is active, dynamic and joyful. He is indeed the Way, the Truth, and the Life.

That some Christians focus on end times does not change the truth of our instructions. I myself believe that it is a great sin that opens the door to other sins (some of them the sorts of spiritual sins that are the worst of all sins) -- spiritual pride, despair, loss of faith, and on and on.


196 posted on 01/03/2005 5:50:11 AM PST by walden
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To: freedom44

This reads like a post from "Ask the Imam."


197 posted on 01/03/2005 5:52:08 AM PST by MonroeDNA (“I feel more comfortable with Soviet intellectuals than I do with American businessmen.” --Soros)
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To: freedom44

Some quibbles, but overall these are good and useful explanations.


198 posted on 01/03/2005 5:59:21 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Our man in washington

(Rom 1:19 KJV) Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath showed it unto them.

(Rom 1:20 KJV) For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

(Rom 1:21 KJV) Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

(Rom 1:22 KJV) Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

(Rom 1:23 KJV) And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

(Rom 1:24 KJV) Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

(Rom 1:25 KJV) Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

and...

(Rom 2:11 KJV) For there is no respect of persons with God.

(Rom 2:12 KJV) For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

(Rom 2:13 KJV) (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

(Rom 2:14 KJV) For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

(Rom 2:15 KJV) Which show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)

(Rom 2:16 KJV) In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

These verses will help explain about people who supposedly never heard of God's Salvation.


199 posted on 01/03/2005 7:08:08 AM PST by RaceBannon (Jesus: Born of the Jews, through the Jews, for the sins of the World!)
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To: Red Sea Swimmer
I'm in agreement with Ben Franklin on this.

I believe in one God, creator of the universe. That he governs it by his Providence. That he ought to be worshiped. That the most acceptable service we render to him is doing good to his other children. That the soul of man is immortal, and will be treated with justice in another life respecting its conduct in this. These I take to be the fundamental principles of all sound religion, and I regard them as you do in whatever sect I meet with them.

As to Jesus of Nazareth, my opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the system of morals, and his religion, as he left them to us, the best the world ever saw, or is likely to see; but I apprehend it has received various corrupting changes, and I have, with most of the present dissenters in England some doubts as to his divinity; tho' it is a question I do not dogmatize upon, having never studied it, and think it needless to busy myself with it now, when I expect soon an opportunity of knowing the truth with less trouble. I see no harm, however, in its being believed, if that belief has the good consequence, as it probably has, of making his doctrines more respected and better observed; especially as I do not perceive that the Supreme takes it amiss, by distinguishing the unbelievers in his government of the world with any particular marks of his displeasure.

200 posted on 01/03/2005 7:18:17 AM PST by PFC
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